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The benefit is that we keep Coptic as the language of prayer. If someone knows it VERY WELL then we are keeping our heritage and traditions alive. However, if the reader doesn't know how to read it, then we do not need it. It is better not to read …
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If one is present who is proficient in Coptic and can read it VERY WELL. Then I do not see a problem .. but reality is that probably there are a handful of these persons around the globe.
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Well, HH always says: "we are not against a particular person, but against an idea" The idea of elevating man to be like Christ in His divine nature is found in his books. We understand that he is not a trained theologian and that he might have mis…
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I do not see a problem you praying the Ajbeya if you cannot attend the Church.
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Stvro The Oriental Church, including the Coptoc Church, DOES NOT BELIEVE IN DEIFICATION OF MAN as ascribed by Fr. Matta El Meskeen in his books. When he says all of what is Christ's is ours, Fr. Matta elevates man to be like Christ in His divine n…
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There is an element that is missing here. Coptic is the Church language of prayer. In fact, about 120 years ago the belief was you cannot pray the liturgy other than Coptic otherwise the bread and wine won't be consecrated. Of course this is wrong …
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The Creed should be said in its entirety with no skipping. The Creed is not a hymn but a proclamation of faith and does not belong to the Coptic Church alone but is an ecumenical creed. In the liturgies of Holy Thursday and Apocalypse Saturday we d…
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Great Question. The tradition is to read a phrase in Coptic as the ritual books treat Coptic as the liturgical language of the Church and Arabic, or other languages, as interpretation. So, we pray in Coptic and then interpret in the local language …
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Zoxsasi, I commend you on your zealous to know. One thing I like to point out is that HH Pope Shenouda is part of the Oriental Church. So, keep in mind that when you hear that HH distant us from the EO, are they referring in particular to the Cop…
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Some of the Middle Ages ones are listed here: http://stpaulatlanta.org/rituals.html Earlier resources: The canons (especially those of Hyppolytes), Didache, Apostolic Constitutions all contain ritual instructions.
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It is not static but rather organic which in this case means that it will grow and change only as necessary Rites do change for practical reasons. An example would be allowing marriage outside the liturgy. However, what we are discussing in this th…
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The point here is that the church rites developed and continue to develop That is correct, a bit by bit was added and has been like what we have nowadays since at least the 11th century. We have manuscripts as evidence. Thanks
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Actually in the first couple centuries, nothing ritually (liturgical) was written down. This is incorrect. We have manuscripts with the Church rituals .... Thanks.
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Regarding communion, I do not see any difference between us and them. The only dogmatic difference between us and them is they stress on the two natures and we stress on the one nature of two united. In fact the last part that quoted: "ruly, I beli…
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Why I'm asking this is because someone who disagreed with H.H's response said that the Pope has distanced us with the EO. They actually say that HH is Nestorian denying the divine nature of Christ. Of course this is a lie. HH is very clear on this s…
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Are you saying that people were believing that we were hypostatically united to God in the Holy Communion? This is a HUGE topic that HH dedicated at least 12 sermons and for which he wrote the "Modern Heresies" book. They do not come directly and sa…
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PopeKirollos, You hit the nail on the head. Research is lacking in our Church. Most Arabic books in bookstores that claim to be studies do not have references or sources and most express the author's own opinion. This is very evident in the ritual…
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zoksasi I am not sure of what exact words of His Holiness you are looking act. The ones I have are from two sources: His own sermon that he gave at the theological seminary where he explained that we cannot eat the divinity. He goes on to give the…
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zoksasi, I do not whether you know the story behind His Holiness' comments. There are certain people, I am not going to go into details, who claim that because we take the divine nature inside us we are united with the divine nature just like the …
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Great question that needs lots of space to discuss but I will make it brief. The Church honors the Sabbath of the Old Testament, as it honors Sunday, in which God finished creation and honored it through the various rituals of the church or the Old…
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There is no ritual reason whatsoever, in my opinion, to have the funeral prayer in the annual tune. It has been as such since the 12th century and probably before. Why the change today? In any case in our diocese we pray it in the paschal tune. …
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Translation makes a difference. Again, the word "wosht" always means prostrate. There are other words that are specific for "bow". Unfortunately, we have either an inaccurate translation or inaccurate instructions.
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Whether it is a weekday or Sunday, there should be no prostration at the command "Bow your heads".
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With all due respect I disagree regarding the sources of rites. If we have a manuscript from which the printed books are taken and there is strong evidence that this manuscript is the source then by all means it is true since we do not have another …
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I am not sure about the correctness of the instructions. The word "wosht" in Coptic means prostrate. The Greek word "falas" means head. The two commands are different in meaning. Thanks.
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Dear Unworthy1 At the deacon's command "Worship God in fear and trembling" we are supposed to prostrate completely to the ground, however, not on .Sundays or Saturdays. The other command is in Greek "Tas ke falas emon ..." meaning to just bow the …
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There is on after communion called "The Prayer of Submission to the Father" that is said after the Thanksgiving Prayer "Your servants O Lord, who are serving You, entreating Your holy name and bowing their heads to You. ........" Before the pries…
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There is one before and one after communion.
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After communion there is a prayer the priest says called the "The Prayer of Submission to the Father". Before the priest says it, the deacon cries out: "Bow your heads before the Lord", the congregation replies "Before you O Lord" Thanks
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That is just one manuscript. Fr. Peter, I am not sure what you mean by just one manuscript. So, it is not true if it only one manuscript? All of our liturgical rituals, performed during the liturgy, that we have today goes back to only one manusc…