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Thanks Lid for the resources. I will study them more closely along with others in light of our discussion in this thread. Do not be anxious for a reply from me. This will take me a while .. but I will definitely come back to share my thoughts.
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Culture plays a very important role in shaping how a Church conducts its prayars. For instance, when St. Mark came to Egypt he did not just delivered the faith, but used the culture as a way to deliver that faith. We cannot simply say we are Orthodo…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11759.msg140805#msg140805 date=1309754999] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11759.msg140795#msg140795 date=1309741511] [quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11759.msg140780#msg140780 date=1309725607] [quote autho…
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I understand your point Fr. Peter as we have discussed this before. However, at the end the identity of being Orthodox goes hand in hand with the Church the individual attends. The issue here was what value the Coptic language presents to the Copt…
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Dear Loveis devine I am not sure whether you have followed the whole discussion and know the arguments presented. In summary the whole discussion revolves around whether Adam knew what death was. There are some on this forum who believe he did no…
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This is not true. Our identity is Coptic Orthodox. There are many people who call themselves Orthodox: Christians, heretics, and non Christians. Adding Coptic, Armenean, Syrian, ... gives specificity.
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11736.msg140782#msg140782 date=1309728318] Dear imikhail or ophadece (or anyone else who wishes to chime in): I am curious, what is at stake for you if the Coptic language is no longer spoken? What if in all COCs …
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11736.msg140787#msg140787 date=1309736590] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11736.msg140731#msg140731 date=1309647447] I hope Reminkimi reads and understand that Copts have their own heritage that is different than…
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What you choose to ignore is that Coptic liturgical tradition uses popular Greek hymns No, I do not ignore this fact. What I said is that Greek hymns that are not present in any manuscripts prior to the unification movement are not part of our litu…
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Why would Egypt, a known Hellenistic environment, be exempt from having and using Greek hymns that are not Chalcedonian? You yourself said that tonssena, tolitos and Eparthenos were written in the 6th century. If this is true, then that was after th…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11759.msg140780#msg140780 date=1309725607] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11759.msg140778#msg140778 date=1309724841] Very well. When you are blessed with a local bishop, things will improve. [/quote] hehe....b…
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On the other hand, since 75-80% of our Coptic hymns is not written before 1900's Is this an opinion, claim, speculation, ...? If a claim, please back it up. we can conclude that many hymns, both Greek and Coptic, were transmitted orally and not …
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Dear Remenkami, I have indicated to you before that I never say anything of a speculative nature. Everything I say I have researched. If I present my own opinion I will clearly indicate so. Let me repeat what I have said again. A lack of evidence …
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Very well. When you are blessed with a local bishop, things will improve.
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I am not sure what does the Pope have to do with singing hymns in unison. In the Southern diocese, all the Churches follow the same way ... HBY made it very clear that the churches have to follow the diocese.
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I agree with you ophadece, Most Copts do not care much for the language as they are bombarded by the Islamic media machine and the Islamic school system. Also, those who may know anything of the language, they are deceived by the changes Arian WEf…
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Though the Coptic language may be dead, we as Copts can revive it. We are no less of a people than the Armeans, the Syrians, the Jewish, and others who were able to preserve and revive their heritage. The road is long and the work is not easy, but …
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Once your region is blessed with having a bishop, I think it will be easier to unify the hymns.
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In the Southern diocese we have standardized the liturgy hymns and few other hymns.
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Thanks Cephas for the reference. I hope Reminkimi reads and understand that Copts have their own heritage that is different than the Byzantine. I still stand by the fact [B]The following hymns were added recently in the Coptic Church and were not…
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It is very true, that hymns are said differently among cantors. Also, different parts of Egypt say hymns in a different way.
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Jut to be aware, the Daff is not a musical instrument. It is used to make sure there is harmony among the psalters.
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"It becomes evident that this discussion is fruitless when the same argument keeps coming back after I have responded." Dear Reminkimi I believe the difference between you and me is that I present facts. You present opinions. To get anywhere, w…
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it is highly likely that these hymns were already found in Egypt before the 19th century because Egypt was a heavily Hellenistic culture that operated this way for thousands of years That is not true. It was M. Takla who introduced them in the late…
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I do not believe this is the right forum to discuss such a topic.
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In Christianity, we do not focus on the earthly land as we say in the liturgy of St. Basil we are sojourners. Rather, we focus on the heavenly Jerusalem. The Bible's emphasis on the land given to Israel was a symbol to the heavenly inheritance whic…
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The Schism took place in the year 451 when the Church of Alexandria did not agree with the the Council of Chalcedon. Read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Orthodoxy
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I think we may need to have another thread of what constitute a dead language and keep this thread focused on the Greek hymns that recently crept into our Church and they still do. The following hymns were added recently in the Coptic Church and we…
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The following hymns were added recently in the Coptic Church and were not part of the Coptic Heritage: Ton Seena Tolithos Eparthenos They were added in the late 19th century during the papacy of Cyril the 4th.
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anti-scholarly What is anti scholarly in what I said. First we have to agree on facts to have any fruitful discussion. Do you agree or not with my last post? everything that is not Coptic is bad and must be removed I never said this .. read my pos…