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Our salvation is in Christ, not our language. What does this have to do with preserving our language and our heritage?
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[quote author=Tishori link=topic=12020.msg142855#msg142855 date=1312915988] I CANNOT stand this site anymore! I knew the second I read this request that this would be the first and only response that he would receive. GET OVER IT PEOPLE. Our salvati…
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Per the Scriptures speaking in tongues had two purposes: 1 - To evangelize 2 - Declare that the gentiles are accepted in God's flock The first one took place on Pentecost day and aided the holy apostles to spread the good news. The second declare…
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Why do we want to abandon Coptic? This is our heritage that we need to preserve.
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The avenge here is seeking justice. Yes we are to forgive as God forgave us and He is the ultimate judge. The martyrs forgave their persecutes on account of Christ, but they also long for having evil destroyed. As God is compassionate, He is just…
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[quote author=Farah Hafazalla link=topic=11621.msg142757#msg142757 date=1312807623] About this question, if the devil was condemned to hell forver, what if one day he realized what he did was wrong and he asked GOD for forgiveness, would GOD give it…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11998.msg142739#msg142739 date=1312763545] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11998.msg142737#msg142737 date=1312759144] What you are saying makes sense if we are talking about mere poems. Here we are talking abou…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11998.msg142734#msg142734 date=1312750344] Dear imikhail, I agree with all what you said in fact (believe it or not). But the only problem I have, which is also against Fr. Shenouda's views, is that implying loose s…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11998.msg142722#msg142722 date=1312694899] Okay, but that didn't really answer my question: If it is necessary to know the author of a hymn before it can be accepted (i.e., as a means of authentication), do we know …
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Thanks ophadece for your points, let me clarify something. The problem with O kirios is not only the Arabic or the English translation. The problem is with the original language it was written into which is Greek. Again, the hymn in its original fo…
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On a practical level, how does this work? Do we know by name, for instance, who authored the various "Hitenis", "Evlogimenos", "Golgotha", etc.? I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything; I'm sincerely interested in this idea. I suppose I had assum…
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i just said i have no time to search...but it is older than Abouna's.....is it not clear enough?! How can you be so sure without research?
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The English phonetic inventory has irregularities where "c" has /c/ and /k/. But overall, the letter "i" gives a specific sound not found or represented by another letter. The last part of your comment is not true. How about (bi)cycle, bye .. here…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11962.msg142714#msg142714 date=1312686276] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11962.msg142709#msg142709 date=1312682645] You are the one who quoted Moftah as saying he invented GB for unification with the Greek Chur…
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This has nothing to do with what I said. I wasn't talking about rhyming. And if you bothered to read the whole thing, you will notice I specifically said English has the same irregularities that caused invented dialects. So yes, apply it to the Eng…
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Coptic has an alphabetic writing system. Each letter represents a sound, not an entire word or a thought like Heiroglyphics. Since Coptic adopted the writing system of the Greek alphabet: vowels, consonants partially articulate phonetics. You spel…
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You are the one who quoted Moftah as saying he invented GB for unification with the Greek Church. This is a political reason. Do I really need to show you where your reference is? Yes, please. I will reiterate what was mentioned in the manuscript …
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The standardization was the invention. He didn't invent Hebrew. Obviously after many years of non-use, he had to standardize and modernize words, pronunciation and usage. Did he invent new sounds to the Hebrew alphabet as part of the process?
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11962.msg142703#msg142703 date=1312681166] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11962.msg142695#msg142695 date=1312679843] It is by definition an invention spontaneously emerged by one person or a few people. Regardles…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11962.msg142702#msg142702 date=1312681088] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11962.msg142696#msg142696 date=1312679922] Please provide a reference that OB was known across Egypt. Worrell's article only speaks of 2 …
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Funny, no one has ever complained that any priest cannot say /shleel/ because its not part of our heritage. The fact is OB is completely unintelligible to Coptic Church. People who hear OB can't tell what language is being said. So what sounds are …
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Tell that to the thousands of people who speak one of the many constructed languages I listed. Tell that to the millions of Jews speaking Modern Hebrew. Whether you like it or not, MH is an invention. . No I am not going to tell any one anything bec…
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It is apparant that you object to the reasons and motives of the reform than the actual reform. Both Modern Hebrew (MH) and GB are inventions. I thought you said that Modern Hebrew was a standardization effort. Are you saying now that Eliezer inve…
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Please provide a reference that OB was known across Egypt. Worrell's article only speaks of 2 rural villages that differed from other places (he mentioned Assuit). Refer back to all the references I gave you in addition to the ones I gave in my e…
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It is by definition an invention spontaneously emerged by one person or a few people. Regardless of what it replaced, it is an invention. So which is it Reminikimi, invention or standardization?
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Ritual books (I assume you mean liturgical ritual books) do not describe pronunciation. Are you serious? Do you mean that all the books that have Coptic in Arabic letters, which are also used on the net like Tasbeha.org do not describe pronunciati…
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i said he would agree to "keep" the hymn.....not necessarily approve or disapprove of the hymn. He does not approve of the hymn and it is a fact. You can verify this by calling him yourself (I will give you his phone number if you like) He preache…
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I don't really know--i would need to research a little (which i don't have time for).. but i KNOW that it's older than Fr. Shenouda's. Ok Mina. I will hold you to coming back and report to us your findings.
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My comments are in red [quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11998.msg142683#msg142683 date=1312671962] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11998.msg142678#msg142678 date=1312669740] Very good point. However, do you understand Greek? Do you honestly unde…
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The stranged set of rules in language history, that is: this letter is pronounced so and so in Greek words only, while in Coptic so and so, and in names so and so... Seriously? So if I call my son diakwn his name is pronounced /deyakon/ and the word…