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and i would much rather keep something that is older than what abouna Shenouda Maher has..... Let me ask you Mina .. how old is O kirios? Can you at least point to some book that is older than 50 years that has this hymn? and he himself would agree …
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11998.msg142673#msg142673 date=1312660594] It doesn't seem like HG agrees that the hymn is heretical, only that it is confusing (I agree). Why not fix the Arabic translation, if that's where the problem is? Saying…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11998.msg142646#msg142646 date=1312644826] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11998.msg142635#msg142635 date=1312618059] The following section from the hymn O Kirios is theologically flawed: "The Lord, the Father…
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Maybe you can actually give references and develop a respectable argument based on facts instead of pretending I didn't. You want to argue how Modern Hebrew is not like GB, then give references. At least come up with an argument instead of attacking…
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Arabic was in use in the 7th century as Classical Arabic. Yet, there was a standardization process that developed into Modern Standard Arabic. Look at what this article says: "In spite of the romantic and variously successful attempts of modern Arab…
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Again there were multiple versions of OB in use (especially in the 17-18th century). Worrell's article proves this point. Even today, there is no full agreement on how words are pronounced. I've already given you examples of how OB was not standardi…
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Again, you continue to ignore what I said. Do not confuse Coptic the language with Bohairic Coptic pronunciation. We have always been talking about pronunciation and you continue to divert the discussion about the language. So I'll repeat again. Eve…
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Your premise that one who invents a language hates their heritage is not based on any fact other than your opinion. You are putting words in my mouth. I have never said that Aryan hated the language. The process Aryan used was unscholarly, unacademi…
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I will respond to the point Reminkimi raised: It is precisely because men like Eliezer Ben Yehuda loved their heritage that they created Modern Hebrew and other languages. There is a FUNDAMENTAL flaw in your logic. Here it goes: The pronunciation …
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11998.msg142628#msg142628 date=1312611917] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11998.msg142626#msg142626 date=1312610625] The hymn is unintelligible in Greek and has many mistakes including theological ones. Here i…
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It's irrelevant if the pronunciation was invented by one person. May irrelevant to you .. but not to me and those who love their heritage. Hundreds of languages are invented. Excellent .. Coptic is not one of these languages. So, you cannot us…
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Linguistic science disagrees with this priori notion. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, of "invented", "artificial" or non-natural languages that were created by one person or one group abruptly. The prefered term among linguist is spontaneou…
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The hymn is unintelligible in Greek and has many mistakes including theological ones. Here is an example: "The Lord, the Father, Who speaks in Heavenly truth, Who took the form of our humility, with the Holy Spirit."
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11994.msg142574#msg142574 date=1312518155] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11994.msg142573#msg142573 date=1312517490] This hymn is a new hymn. However we do have an old one for the Asbasmos Adam "oonof emmo" whic…
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I have spent 6 months with evangelical missionaries in Senegal and I know a little of the local culture, and how music and dance are part of the pagan religious culture, and therefore must surely be considered very cautiously when introducing Orthod…
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This hymn is a new hymn. However we do have an old one for the Asbasmos Adam "oonof emmo" which in my opinion has a deeper meaning than Rashi na.
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Engagements are ok in extenuating circumstances .. Weddings are not under any condition.
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Are you suggesting that your priest is resisting to learn the local language?
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I draw the line at making unrealistic claims based on hearsay and pseudo-science Would you please list these unrealistic claims, with examples, and I will be very glad to debate each and every one of them. Are you saying that Abouna Shenoda's PHD t…
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This about the sociolinguistic dynamic of Coptic that follows the same properties as any other language where there is multi-lingual contact. Will you please enlighten us as with some examples of the sociolinguistic dynamic of Coptic that you refer…
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First, I am reluctant to call OB or GB a dialect. So, according to you we do not have any dialect of Coptic. Then what do we have, what do call Old Bohairic the authentic pronunciation? We have 5 major dialects of Coptic. Greco is not among them b…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11962.msg142466#msg142466 date=1312305989] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11962.msg142426#msg142426 date=1312243244] Do not just make empty claims. I have presented you with at least 13 scholarly references prov…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11932.msg142470#msg142470 date=1312308440] Dear imikhail, I hope I can get my hands on a copy as well if you don't mind. Oujai qen `P[C [/quote] Sure.
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Whoever wrote that blog needs some serious education on the Oriental Church
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11932.msg142144#msg142144 date=1311912985] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11932.msg142143#msg142143 date=1311912312] [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11932.msg142136#msg142136 date=1311910828] [quote author=im…
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[quote author=bigeee link=topic=11966.msg142338#msg142338 date=1312160368] the girls and guys dont make contact believe it or not we just do hip hop dancing like what dances on music videos not contact though [/quote] Ask your self this question: …
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That the character of the diction of the epistle entitled To the Hebrews has not the apostle’s rudeness in speech, who confessed himself rude in speech, that is, in style, but that the epistle is better Greek in the framing of its diction, will be a…
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[quote author=Amdah link=topic=11962.msg142386#msg142386 date=1312179201] Thanks! That helped a lot. There's just one thing i couldnt find in those links and if someone could tell me I would greatly appreciate it: What is the correct pronunciation o…
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Other than the Greek Orthodox Church, there is no other Orthodox Church in Egypt - no Armenian Orthodox, no Syrian Orthodox, no Ethiopian Orthodox, no Eritrean Orthodox, no Indian Orthodox - even though there are Syrians, Armenians, Indians, Eritrea…
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think most people will agree that it's good to be proud of your heritage, ancestors and traditions. But not at the expense of serving non-Egyptians. Not at the expense of isolating ourselves from those who are not Egyptian. Not at the expense of …