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Ok, I think I ought to clarify some specific points here; I feel people are asking each other questions, and answers come in different directions to the questions asked. Not sure of many of you, but I am someone (like a few here) who was born in Egy…
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Didn't allow me to install the .exe file Mina... [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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Oh sorry, after all forgot to answer the thread question; basically my answer cannot be said any better than what ilovesaintmark, geomike, and pharoh123 already said. To summarise I am in Egyptian (Coptic) with Egyptian (pharaonic) roots who my ance…
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So many enlightening posts and comments that I think we're all benefiting from. Let me just make one point very clear: we as Christians in expressing disapproval of how muslims live their lives or go about their brutal ways prefer considering oursel…
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[quote author=cop link=topic=9605.msg118278#msg118278 date=1282071977] i have an amazing one, pm me.... [/quote] Is it in Coptic?
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[quote author=Pi Onkh link=topic=7189.msg117996#msg117996 date=1281613807] I have a friend who is Chaldean Catholic (Iraq) who still speaks the original language of his people.(Kildani). I found out that all of people who are from the Chaldean Catho…
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to me, it just doesn't make since to change the liturgies themselves as part of the revival of Pope Cyril IV or the proposed pronunciation of Mr. Erian. why did they need to do that if we have been holding arabic as a 2nd language for a long time be…
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Yes Mina, I wasn't contesting that second point about replacing some pharaonic words with idolous connotations with Greek ones to draw the newly converted Christians away from paganism. What I recently heard is that the deacons responses (especiall…
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i am not entirely sure about comments from mina and superman. I hope somebody may be able to research further and correct me if I am wrong but the presence of Greek in our liturgies as I recently heard was only introduced in the 19th century and not…
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guys, first of all giving out presents is fine and one of the powerful methods of teaching especially for younger children. You ought to really consider it for your whole life and not only teaching hymns. I can see where Mina is coming from and I do…
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What is Egyptian then Mina? It is Coptic (Coptic means Egyptian, doesn't it?), not Bohairic, not Sa'idic, not general Coptic as in mo'aqab as you say. So what is it? [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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[quote author=peterfarrington link=topic=9305.msg115216#msg115216 date=1275888680] In my own life, liturgically speaking, I do what my bishop tells me. I will present my opinion, I will even argue against something, but when he says that he has con…
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thanks Fr. Peter for your comments and questions. As much as they are enlightening they also provide me with food for thought. Now to begin with I have to again say it loud and clear that I'm still learning and I'm a novice. But in addition to what …
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Dear jydeacon, Thanks for answering the question Fr. Peter originally asked me. Dear Fr. Peter and all, To me the problems seems even more complicated. What jydeacon says makes sense, but not necessarily the current practice. Now even vespers praise…
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Yes Fr. Peter, you are right. I got that wrong, and I am sorry for that. I was confused but I should have meant the vespers praises, not the vespers raising of incense. However, even the vespers praises follow the tune of Sunday and psalis follow su…
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And how closing the curtains contradicts materialising the mysteries? In fact, I don't think this is a valid argument in the first place. Mysteries are called as such because they cannot be materially palpated in the first place. We see Christ by ou…
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[quote author=minagir link=topic=9319.msg115109#msg115109 date=1275712915] for example: we have old sources for almost ALL the 10-15 Greek hymns we have in our church that were borrowed around the time of Pope Kerrelos IV (i think he is the fourth..…
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dear Mina, if that's the case then I don't find any objections to the Pope's proposition but the fact of the matter is that the suggestions made things more confusing to many churches even in Egypt itself. However the Palm Sunday is not and should n…
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Dear jydeacon, I will attempt to answer your questions here, although I am sure you know my opinions well enough, so I hope I am not offending or repeating empty answers. First you said "if you do either one, does it add or take away from the spirit…
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aem581, Any chance you can e-mail it to me as well: ophadece@hotmail.com; thanks a lot in advance [coptic]]sep`hmot `ntotk emasw oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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Yes Mina, thanks for answering. I can't find this a valid argument anyway. It still doesn't mean we succumb to changing things to make them appeal to the young or even deacons, or whatever category. You saw yourself what occurred as a result of the …
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Yes Mina, I take your point. But aren't bishops in charge of preserving the tradition? Pope Shenouda included? Or change it according to their own views and knowledge base? Sorry I don't mean to sound harsh or extreme, but unfortunately this is what…
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With all due respect, that is wrong. Tenouwst is supposed to be said, even though it is vespers praises for the following Sunday. This is the tradition, even though there is some solid argument otherwise, but this is the tradition, and please let us…
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[quote author=aem581 link=topic=9280.msg114838#msg114838 date=1275108028] ophadece! Hey buddy! Long time no talk! I was just going to ask what was your source because I have NEVER heard of this rite before! Thank you man! In Christ, aem581 [/quote]…
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[quote author=jydeacon link=topic=9280.msg114759#msg114759 date=1274840710] Tamgeeds in general shouldn't be done during communion. The right place would be after the synixar before Agios. [/quote] Yes that is right. What Mina and AMoussa stated is…
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[quote author=minagir link=topic=9261.msg114675#msg114675 date=1274546814] The only time that Alli el-orban is said, replacing the Kerie Leison, is when there is no agpeya hours to pray and there is a procession of the lamb that includes a hymn like…
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Dear Ebchoisnainan, Allow me to say that we didn't lose the "3ein" in modern Coptic, and actually I am not someone in favour of the term "modern Coptic" anyway. There is no "modern" and "old". There is an introduced dialect that goes totally against…