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Spot on Mina... two points: cantor Gad, and Greco-Bohairic adopted by HCOC. SPOT-ON yabny... meya meya [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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[quote author=minagir link=topic=10064.msg123011#msg123011 date=1291144808] [quote author=baladoos link=topic=10064.msg123004#msg123004 date=1291144285] According to what I know, you say them after the synaxarium. But again you can say them during t…
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No Cyril97, I disagree. Judging by what I listened from his productions (which is something I had enough of saying I disapprove of, but you may not know this) he actually plays with certain parts of the tunes like no other. Yes, cantor Ibrahim does,…
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Very useful piece of information. Thanks Mina
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There may have been a doxology one day and forgotten about. But in the euchologion book of nahdet el kana2es there is a specific hymn at the end of the book
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I'm aware of the book of Lambdin although as far as I can remember having skimmed through it in the not very recent past I had some reservations. I may be wrong though so I'll have another look. I'll also follow your advice and see if the book you m…
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Yes that is right Fr. Peter. The manuscripts and the early writings by church fathers are mostly in Sa'idic, but Bohairic is used for the purposes of rites and prayers in the liturgy and midnight praises for example, used quite more recently (by rec…
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Yes please... anything you can get your hands on... thanks a lot in advance [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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Dear Aegyptian, Obviously you have to understand that the church rites follow the Bohairic (and sometimes a mixture of Bohairic and Sa'idic with predominance of the former) dialect. Concerning your question: [coptic]`P[C [/coptic](Lord) [coptic]ari`…
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I guess the answer is yes. Sunday in Christianity replaces the Sabbath in Judaism. You must know that our rituals are very close to the Jewish traditions, and the reasons the former emanated from the latter does prove how the Orthodox Church (being …
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DEar geomike, Your point is a very valid one but I'm afraid it may give way to complacency. It's no excuse that the older generation don't have the time and they are choir leaders. They do understand that an integral part of deacon's job is to learn…
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You are right Mina. Just maybe reminding myself that deacons/Sunday school teachers have a huge job on their hands and it's no good giving ourselves excuses all the time for not teaching some hymns for that matter
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Dear jydeacon Thanks for the clarification. I strongly agree with baladoos of course and a bit disappointed to hear what geomike said. God bless you all and pray for me a lot
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I guess I can see a point in both arguments. Sunday liturgy is rather more complete with the celebration of the Lord's resurrection but not compulsory. Thinking of the UK in several places there may not be the opportunity to do a Liturgy on Sundays …
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First of all: why the need for innovation? The psalm has been like that since the beginning, why did people decide to add to it. I can understand that in other rites there needs to be an addendum because of similarities in the tune, ie feast of the …
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Never heard that refrain and not at all sure why the need arose for such a clarification. Honestly not fond of it
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MY mistake I'm sorry. As for Cantor Zaher's hymns I guess his attempt at recording some "unrecorded before" hymns is admirable but his voice is not the greatest (the range of his musical notes) and the notes (hazzat) are not perfect. I like Cantor G…
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NOt at all heretical but take it as you would this song "me first bearing leaves in Africa". Some syntactical and grammatical errors that may have been prevalent in slang Coptic at the time of composing. Better to preserve and have better insight th…
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In addition my understanding is that Cantor Zaher serves in the old cathedral in el faggala and Cantor Gad serves in Alexandria but not sure which church.
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Dear Coptic_deacon and father Peter, I stand corrected. You both are right and my previous post was rather uninformed. Yes it does appear that Coptic Christians started praying the liturgies in Greek and then it was converted to Coptic and then agai…
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DEar Mina, What's the refrain for psalm 150 you are talking about?
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DEar all, Please don't forget we are Jesus' children. We pray for those who oppress and persecute us. Let's pray for all muslims alike may God stop their acts altogether God bless us all and have mercy on us
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Dear Father Peter, Having read your post, I can say this is exactly what I meant. I may have misunderstood the first post, to which I disagreed, but I do agree completely with what you said in that last one. I think I am convinced with all of those …
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[quote author=peterfarrington link=topic=9921.msg121487#msg121487 date=1288282638] But they are not 'our hymns' surely. There is no such thing as 'our' anything in the Church. We are only Orthodox Christians, or we are nothing. If we are Orthodox C…
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I think it would annoy you rightly so, as well as Bshp Angelos if they adopt it as theirs. I was thinking that they should pray using our hymns, but acknowledge that they are ours. Just my personal opinion. [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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In fact that makes me happy. That is an indirect message for them of the beauty of the Coptic hymns (even when translated), as you can see. Let them use it in their churches, but what will their bishops say? Hehe... in any case as I remember minagir…
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God bless all your efforts Zoxsasi and the efforts of people preaching Christ to the nations by every means. Pray for us a lot please
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Dear baladoos, I find it nice really. I guess you are the one who did it (not a friend)... I very much like your enthusiasm and the style, but I don't like using English letters to transliterate the Coptic (shouldn't be that hard to type a few Copti…
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Oh OK... thanks for the clarification Zoxsasi [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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Dear Zoxsasi, Thanks very much for your comments. You are right I used some kind of sentimental "sensalisation" as you called it, and exaggeration, but that is just to stimulate people to think. Now I think I drove people to take an opposing side to…