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Dear mabsoota and Father Peter, Your points are very relevant, and even though there are some disagreements, but I tend to agree more with what Fr. Peter says. Specifically speaking about flitting from one Liturgy to another. I would argue that prie…
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Thanks abouna I understand. [coptic]oujai qen `P[C[/coptic]
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Thanks Fr. Peter, I hope that neither you nor Zoxsasi misunderstood me when I talked about believers memorising passages of the Holy Bible. I didn't mean that they did that in order to attend the liturgy without any access to books, or Synexarium fo…
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Ok Doxsasi I see your point. If for that specific reason, that you MAY, but I personally would DISAGREE still. In most if not all of our churches in the diaspora, older as well as younger generations have a grasp of both Arabic, and the language the…
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Sorry to post that late, but better late than never. I can't agree more with Fr. Peter, ilovesaintmark, TITL, and minagir, and whoever else follows their teachings. That has always been my opinion for generations, and no body seemed to have listened…
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Dear Christ's servant, and Minagir, I forgot to mention something before, which is the "s" sound for "th". That is actually an Arabic influence on the formal Arabic, rather than Coptic influence on such. The letter [coptic];[/coptic] was pronounced …
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DEar joyfulinHIm, That's right and a fact I learnt as well is that not only the gholghotha tune was used in burying the kings but ebouro in enthroning them. DEar Cyril97, Even if discussions only take place in forums people like yourself may debate …
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Well well well... I was actually asleep... where do I start? DEar Christ's servant, It can actually be pronounced both ways. The letter "x" in Greek as ebshoisnainan rightly said is pronounced in their language as kh, but for Coptic it's either sh o…
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So did you all get a grasp of what I was moaning about on this forum two years ago... in addition to el koffar, and the like in the "regular" Kiahk melodies inserted between the much more beautiful and sweet (despite appearing somewhat tricky for tr…
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Are these tunes followed during the Great Lent?
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WELl Mina it's up to you after all, but would you mind letting me know of the good reasons to stop you sharing it? I won't be intrusive but I'm just curious to know... God bless you and pray for us a lot
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And maybe I can see if ouseyou afshai has really been recorded and Mina can share with me
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Dear Fr. Peter, I am so sorry to say this, but I don't mean to be cynical or disheartening. But a simple question is: don't you think it is in the British interests to keep the interior affairs of Egypt up to Egypt's interior ministry? I guess so. L…
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Thanks Mina. That point I made several times before and you always supported it. Very true. Please note that Dr. Moftah's family as I believe was a very rich family and I believe he himself used to pay from his own money for recordings. That's a ver…
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I do believe it is and whatever day it will fall on you'd still serve in it in the middle of vespers service in its own tune that doesn't change. What do other people think?
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NO probs... God bless you and pray for us a lot
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Yes it does. Any chance of sharing that ouseyou afshai?
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I disagree because that would mean that glorifications would change to joyful, kiahky, lenten, etc since they aren't the primary rites. Doesn't make sense to me. The only exception that I learnt is funerals falling on a Sunday, the day of the Lord
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You Mina keep saying hoses when you mean lobsh's... not my fault
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NO YOU DON'T... why do we suppose we are compelled to change the tune of a service once it's sandwiched between two others or directly follows another. Please don't start me again on that but just remember the correct wedding rites come after matins…
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AND did you hear the hymn "ouseyou afshai" somewhere before, THEN I want it. Be careful it's not the Gospel response ya Mina
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Ok this is from the mobile so not concise. First of all canticles are not subject to Adam or Watos but everything else is.... clear? You can have psalies, taodokeyas lobsh's in either tune but canticles, big hos, dan tanou, and dannau are not subjec…
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OK Mina, Now in an attempt to get rid of my confusion, and also make myself clear: You said: "Actually there are many other hymns and responses that are in that book that were not published in new books. as we say in arabic, the hymns "saquto"(liter…
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That's exactly my point. It's a separate set of rites with its own set of tunes and it doesn't change with the ceremonial, as does not the laqqan service, the general funeral, ... etc
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Confused yes but I can't reply to that long post from the mobile. I'll refrain from answering now until I have enough time on a computer...
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I wasn't even talking about laqqan but I personally view it as an independent service in its own right that HAS TO be annual whatever the rites of the day. PRetty much like el tagneez el 3am and the wedding rites in its correct place after any matin…
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And just to confuse things a little bit more cantor Wagdy and recently also cantor Ibrahim recorded vespers for the above feasts in annual tune (as far as I can remember)...
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DEar josephgabriel, Kiahk tune is sung from day one whatever day that falls on. DEar Mina, YOur post is very informative man thanks. NOt meaning to patronize or be cheeky but I'm asking for opinions here: that old teaching you alluded to, where is …
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I don't think the number of the days matter. So even if Kiahk starts on a Monday you'd still say the first Sunday Gospel response for 13 days before switching. That's my understanding but I hope somebody correct me if I'm wrong
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THat's right Joseph. NOw I'm impressed... hehe