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Dear Remenkimi, You are missing quite a lot, inadvertently of course, because you don't read Arabic. The claim of that Bassili family is unfounded. Mr. Erian Moftah himself mentions in his book, the origin of all controversy, that Pope Cyril IV "ord…
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Ok good responses, but in Cantor Farag's book it says taishoria and bai be behow... Oujai
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DEAR imikhail, Bawla is the authentic pronunciation of Pavli, and not the reverse. Oujai
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Ya Mina, please... it doesn't have to "click in your mind", so a respectable member of this forum start using it. If you are well-educated, believe in proper research methodology, and aim at applying this in whatever you love, Coptic language proper…
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Dear marian6, Depends on what you want to know, so I can tell you more. I usually pray in st. George and st. Athanasius church in Newcastle. Unfortunately there is none other than me who uses old Bohairic. Pray for us a lot please... Oujai
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Yes marian6, to some extent... Oujai
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That's right Mina but in my view that doesn't exonerate us from correcting the mistakes however small. Some books mention Jesus Christ fasted for us wrongly in Coptic... some say bekhrestos analemebsis, rather than khristos. Others are full of spell…
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It was me who started that discussion and Remenkimi expanded on it. That's improper usage of Coptic and an unnecessary addition to the words of the Psalm. If we want it to stay this way we should do things with understanding, and not just willy nill…
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This is where Cantor Wagdy made a mistake. The refrain should refer to God: praise God in all His saints, Jesus Christ WHO fasted (was crucified, rose, etc); praise HIm ... Oujai
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Dear Remenkimi, You're probably not paying attention to what I'm saying. The link dzheremi kindly provide it has a plethora of studies, some of them in 1850 - 1860, and with the aid of audio recordings at the time. I'd encourage you to have a go at …
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Confirm that he said the tune is the same as FR. Mattias's one and both follow the sharat, or have I completely lost you? Oujai
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Well I can't believe Cantor Ibrahim Ayad said so himself. Can you confirm this again, because I can't believe what I'm hearing, or did you mean you believe in his tune? Oujai
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Dear Cyril97, No you wouldn't sing the Lenten psali or taodokeya. The Lordly feast trumps any other ceremonial, even though we eat fasting food still. Readings, and fraction in liturgy should all be directed towards one thing. Copticuser20, Basical…
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DEar matthabib24, it's not old, but it's authentic. Oujai
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They are not the same "mr. without musical ears". oujai qen `P[C
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Very well said dzheremi. Strong comments, and proofs. My main point against (not really against, but understanding where they come from) Remenkimi and Fr. Peter is that they are unable to read Arabic, and in the studies you mentioned there are many …
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imikhail hit the nail on the head. I haven't yet read dzheremi response, but I will do now... again and again: there is no such a thing as a language "based on a false premise". This is not natural evolution; it is not like Jamaican English, not lik…
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Mina I think it was atthwoui who mentioned that, not maherkaldas. oujai qen `P[C
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Dear jydeacon, What I meant is the introduction of psalm 150 recorded by cantor Ibrahim is different to the one by Fr. Metthias. The former I don't believe in, but I do in the latter... I guess we lost the psalm 150 tune (at the least the long intro…
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Well said jydeacon... Oujai
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YEs Mina I agree, but has to be something quite authentic, not just a verbal opinion... Jydeacon, in a nut shell I don't believe psalm 150 lenten is authentic enough. I believe there must be a lost tune... Oujai
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St. James advises us not to be too many teachers for in many things we ALL stumble... I can see many things done in hymns nowadays only on a whim and caprice rather than sticking to what was handed down... sad to say it, but... Oujai
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This specific point I completely agree with Mina. Without starting a new post, I guess that applies to psalm 150 for both ceremonials too. If you listen to the one for Lent from different cantors you'll notice some differences, and my argument is th…
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WHat's the recommendation got anything to do with the answer Mina? Fast tune, or longer tune both are still chanted in fasting. We also sing abanshois on the tune of other "festive" paralaxes... well at least Sundays. Oujai
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Can't understand it still... they fast forty days, start a week later than us and still celebrate Easter on the same day as we do... how come? Oujai
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OK, I was told by a Romanian colleague that she doesn't fast the first preparation week unlike us, but she denied fasting the Holy week; she wasn't very sure though: that said, she will celebrate EAster on the day we do as well, how come?! Mabsoota,…
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dear Joseph, the answer wasn't very clear, I'm talking about how many days you fast during the LENT, and the HOLY WEEK if you do... thanks Oujai
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Greco-Bohairic... a fallacy that is treated as though it were a truth... that's not Christian at all... Oujai
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DEar all, I'm interested in knowing how many days the EO congregation fast? I learnt that they have a preparation week similar to us, but not necessarily part of the counted days. May someone explain please... Oujai
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Guys... guys.... stop it. Don't make up wrong explanations... there is no such a thing as Iycouc P,C ernycteuin. This sentence doesn't make any sense grammatically speaking, so don't volunteer to translate it, as it is not translateable.... Oujai