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EKhrestos anesty Dear kmeka001, I guess you're mixing up two things. The conclusion for the Coptic reading as Mina explains is behmot ghar namodan.... which is different to the hymn behmot ghar chanted by the congregation. Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty THAnks dear Unworthy1. I can still see Mina's definition, but in all honesty I think I am talking more along your lines than him. ALl in all preference, personal opinion, conclusion doesn't matter as long as there's a church chorus …
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear Mina, I don't know why it's difficult for you to make a distinction between preference and personal experience, or conclusion. Well my preference may certainly be to say Lazarus Saturday Communion hymn in be'eish tune, but pers…
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear DanieM, Thanks very much for your opinions. I agree with them, and would like to add that the Holy Spirit works subtly in the Church, so if anybody thinks they shouldn't because of mere other people then that's a blatant deceit…
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Ekhrestos anesty Good point Mina. So I guess you can call it a personal experience, or personal opinion, rather than preference. It is not a preference and should not be a preference, as I maintained in my reply to kmeka001. Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear Mina, How did you reach the conclusion it's based on preference? I research, compare, and use logic. Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty Hehe... Mina, that's right, you got my core..."fa2asteny"... I think it's fair to say I took your advice long ago and compare hymns from different cantors till I get convinced by one teaching. I also use my logic, and the things I l…
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Ekhrestos anesty No Mina. I am sorry I wasn't clear enough in my first post. Yes, most of if not all of the tunes we have today from HICS were done through fitting the tune... tarkeeb (and why the "p" by the way? you speak Arabic, don't you?). But s…
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear kmeka001, I may not be able to answer all your comments or arguments, but please bear with me, and repeat them if you found me having missed some. First of all, to me hymnody is a core part of the faith. In fact, I will argue t…
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear Mina, Why do I get the impression that your undertone is so defensive for cantor Ibrahim? I even thought in psychological terms I can call it paranoia on his behalf. This is wrong. As a friend of mine who I admire and appreciat…
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear Mina, Are you saying you're satisfied by Cantor Ibrahim's explanation then? DOes that really sound authentic? I am not so sure... Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear kmeka, I don't think it's subject to personal preference as you say, nor should be anything in the orthodox church actually. I didn't hear Mr. Albair's style, but if it's the same like Cantor Ibrahim then it's wrong, or at the …
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EKhrestos anesty Well said pharaoh123. I'm really so glad there are Egyptian Christians who can see these things clearly and aren't deceived anymore by the liars Egyptian media and the old regime followers... but why even do we call it an old regime…
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Ekhrestos anesty DEar all, That's beside the point, but I want to make this very clear: the Egyptian revolution was not related to the brotherhood by any means but the cruel Egyptian government is utilizing such a group for very mean purpose. You ha…
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Ekhrestos anesty DEar bigeee, Sorry I've offended you, because I didn't mean to. You clearly understand I don't claim to know the ins or outs of your relationship with the lady, nor do I know what your father of confession advises you. I only spoke …
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Ekhrestos anesty DEar bigeee, I'm glad you're feeling better now, and I can understand more clearly the nature of the difficulties you're going through all the time. However, I have to warn you: people convert to other religions for all sorts of rea…
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Ekhrestos anesty Dear FR. Peter, That's the problem with Egyptians I think. NO one gives Coptic any importance, why should they? IS it used in the Coptic church? ONly minutely. Do they want to understand it? Why should they when the majority of the …
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Ekhrestos anesty DEAr dzheremi, I am interested to get my hands on that book via email please, my email is: ophadece@hotmail.com... thanks a lot in advance... Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty, DEar dzheremi and all, I think you hit the crux of the matter. IT really is that muslims invite you to debate with them in a childish and immature manner, and when they don't win, they raise their hands and say "miss, miss, that Ch…
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Thanks very much dzheremi. I guess I'll wait till I'm on a computer and check the links you provided. Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty Very interesting dzheremi. I would love to get my hands on the reference you provided, is there an online abstract for example? The only article I read was Georgy Sobhy's Coptic words in colloquial Egyptian Arabic usage, which I mai…
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Ekhrestos anesty, Dear Remenkimi, not really sure if I should call myself, or you unlucky. For the only time we don't argue I disappoint you... hehe Dear dzheremi, I was talking about how Arabic is translated in kholagy books, strictly following the…
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Ekhrestos anesty Yes dzheremi I'm aware of that, but whether the translation was fitted onto the Coptic corrupting proper formal Arabic language (my belief), or that the latter is too weak a language that was shaped up by the environment it settles…
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Ekhrestos anesty, Oops, I've lived in Egypt till I was 28 and got that muddled up. Oh my God, I don't think anyone can be more muddled up then... hehe. It is a past tense, and now I'm disappointed in myself for the first time Remenkimi didn't argue …
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Ekhrestos anesty @ Remenkimi, the Arabic verb is in the present tense with a future nuance... Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty Well said imikhail OUJAi
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Ekhrestos anesty, Dear Remenkimi, can I ask how do reach your conclusions comparing Coptic with English in both grammar and verb conjugation. I cannot get my head sound this, and I do believe that's a strange approach... Oujai
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Ekhrestos anesty, Dear kmeka, your last paragraph is exactly the opposite of my point. Your deduction of "my" logic is nowhere near what I meant, but I'm glad because your reasoning proved what I wanted to say, so I hope you agree with me now... Ouj…
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Ekhrestos anesty, In all honesty I think that the Coptic doesn't necessarily use the simple past tense, but the present perfect. It's only understood in the context of the sentence, and it shares the same form with the simple past tense anyway.... O…
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EKhrestos anesty, Yes imikhail, this is how I understood it from FR. Peter and mabsoota; risen in that sentence is treated rather like an adjective than a past participle. DEar FR. Peter, I disagree with you. Raise is not the same as rise. The form…