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Deacon service book of nahdet el kanaes Oujai
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Dear Midiane, If you read any euchologion's preface, you will notice that instructions to deacons state that they should not even greet each other. Greetings should only be offered to God and the saints, and in very exceptional circumstances just no…
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Right on Copticuser20. It is not the "old" way, it is the correct way - the authentic way - the indigenous way. I hope every body takes note of that. Oujai qen `P[C
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No offence taken of course, but I hope you forgive me this time for sounding blunt. I just don't see a point in having that argument all over again. You may like to scroll through other threads in hymns discussion section, and you'll understand bett…
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Dear copticuser20, Didn't expect that kind of argument from someone like yourself. First, language is not a church property, is it? Second, if you sing any hymn in your own tongue, and another person from the same city sings the same hymn, there wil…
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Both Ibrahim Ayad and newer versions of HICS recordings, and HCOC are pushing towards Greco-Bohairic, that is "ch". Interestingly the Greek language doesn't even have that sound as per my understanding... but maybe somebody can correct me if I'm wro…
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Yes dear Copticuser20. I will give you links later when I'm on a computer. However, I don't think studies were able to go that far in specifying in which generation that evolution occurred, but we can certainly help one another out... Oujai
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According to many studies, the letter shima may have at one stage been pronounced as /ch/ or even /k/, but with evolution it became /sh/. So no one denies Coptic has undergone evolution as all the other languages but not as what happened with the in…
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@ mabsoota, there you go: ]rasi e;be je aijemf pisost `njinkim qen taylektronikoc upologictyc I am happy because I found (it) the key of jinkim in my electronic computer. By the way, that is a Greek word that came to be used only very recently. Ther…
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Sorry the leftmost top key... Oujai
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Not at all my dear. Jinkim is the rightmost top key on your keyboard... Oujai
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It changes all the time, but what I'm doing now is [ font=cs avva shenouda ] type whatever you want, then [ /font ]. Just omit the spaces before and after the square parentheses... hope you can view it in English, not Coptic... Oujai
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COmpletely normal. I was engaged for one and a half years and proposed one year and three months before, all because of different countries, and I can confidently say that 80% of those times without exaggeration, were fights... real fights. Now I've…
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Zoxsasi, You didn't understand what imikhail meant. Copts used to author and write in Greek when they understood Greek fully, but they didn't pronounce it the way Greeks did. That never happened. PERIOD. 1500 years later they restarted writing in Gr…
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OK, I am glad we are on the same wavelength now Zoxsasi... Oujai qen `P[C
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OK, what I meant to say "not" all Greek parts are intelligible to Greeks. I can see you contradicting yourself by saying "the Greek used then is not the same Greek today", and then you say "take any Greek part, pronounced correctly and it makes sens…
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I agree with Crazy4Christ1. Man you have woken me up. Just the other week I sat daily on the internet to download free songs and programmes. I think these are the small foxes that can spoil our spiritual maturity... Oujai qen `P[C
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Dear Mina, Why did you take my last post so personally? I never meant it this way. Firstly, no one would tell the other person "you are wrong I am right", for many reasons, not least because of mutual respect and sensible "democratic" dialogue. Seco…
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Dear Mina, I don't know why you are so upset. Why don't you let any body express themselves and hot topics in their heads the way they wish? If you are too troubled, don't join in. Please notice that the original question was actually about pronunci…
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OK Zoxsasi, I still don't think you are getting the point. Let's look at this: A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (19…
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Zoxsasi, I hope you are not missing the point. Just because the Greek pronounce Greek words one way, doesn't mean we as Copts have to pronounce it the same way. The Greek hymns (or Greek loan words in the Coptic language more generally) were integra…
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Very well said imikhail. A comment I share against Mr. Albair... Oujai qen `P[C
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I agree... Oujai
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Very good point Remenkimi makes. I viewed one source, and I may also go as far as arguing that Arabic translators (or commentators) to Coptic hymns have been at fault in arbitrarily forming up new language, and hence the mistakes found in those tran…
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Ah OK. I haven't heard of the expression in expositions, but not an expert here of course... Oujai qen `P[C
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Dear Remenkimi, I think I am lost in your comments. We don't have Marta Marium in Coptic liturgical texts or hymns. Do you suggest that we do? Or is it another point I am missing? Oujai qen `P[C
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Ok Remenkimi, I couldn't use the dictionary in the link you provided. I am not that technical. This is the "root" of the word (an exercise you MUST do in Arabic words search in Arabic dictionaries) in Arabic with its meanings. Let me know if you str…
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I will get the reference later then. I by no means want to discredit you or even imply you aren't trying so hard to do what you do best, at least in my eyes, inferring word etymology, but I just don't like it when things are stretched out so far. So…
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Thanks for drawing my attention geomike. I don't know. If it continues I'll contact the moderators, Mina, or FR. Peter... thanks again Oujai
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DEar Remenkimi, YOu can't read Arabic as far as I remember you saying, but I don't like you persistent insistence on quoting things you don't fully appraise. I don't take articles at face value and I don't necessarily know more or less than the auth…