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I certainly don't understand commissioned or decommissioned but if you want my opinion, it isn't even wise to compare the times. With simple and repetitive posts people may learn more than from complicated and sophisticated science fiction stuff.. o…
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That tells me you have serious depreciating problems of either yourself, or this forum. I for one have learnt a great great deal from you and other members of this forum. I do apply this knowledge in my church, both Sunday school and hymns discussio…
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In the feeble attempts to regain an attitude, or even only a way of pronunciation of my forefathers is much more worth the effort than keeping a flawed meaningless system of pronunciation... oujai
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Thanks Remenkimi.. I'm really sorry to everyone.. it seems you also have been offended but didn't want to upset me.. sorry again oujai
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OK, so we agree to disagree about all those issues then. Oujai qen `P[C
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Dear imikhail, Now that you repeated yourself in this manner, you made me feel even more that you meant I was wrong in the beginning. Typing on this forum from my mobile makes it tedious, and I try to use the fewest words possible to convey my meani…
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But they do state for hymns to be said when and where? Do they state for the hymns to be said "more than once"? I disagree. Indeed what would you say about a bishop who says "beswma nem be'snof nda bemonoganais bannoudi" 4 times? Or a bishop who ad…
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I didn't want to make it personal towards you only - but seriously I thought you caught the same train like every body else's, you know what I mean? Oujai qen `P[C
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Dear ShareTheLord, Please don't be surprised if you see this very same argument going on for another ten or fifty years. Unfortunately, not enough people today are humble enough to follow the truth (in my opinion). Therefore, this will keep recurrin…
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So we should manipulate the church rites to please people? Oh, how can I argue that? At the end of the day, the big motto should follow: rites were made for man, not vice versa. Ah, OK, I see... Oujai qen `P[C
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I think it should be mentioned. Why not correct people's mistakes if one sees one? Isn't this a Christian forum after all? Or is it a professional one, where there is no place for humility and acceptance of other people's corrections? Oujai qen `P[C
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Dear Remenkimi, I certainly have no interest in comparing linguists to scientists, or Coptologists to whatever, but all I can say is that there is evidence of authenticity of an "accent" or a "dialect", why should you change it (apart from trying to…
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Dear Mgabby1234, I cannot quote text, so I will put your comments between inverted comments and express my views underneath: You said: "More valid? How in the world would you define that? Based on whose definition? Why not do this with every other …
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I'm sorry Mina I seem to have offended you by me trying to correct some mistakes I saw.. I won't do that again oujai
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Mina, I think a few doxologies for popes would start with bekawarnetais, at least I know of pope Athanasius' Why do people here write the coptic w sound as b? And in Mina's case p?!!! The correct pronunciation is bekawarnetais, and in Greco-bohairic…
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Intention and innovation? oujai
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Very well said Aegyptoc.. why don't we remedy the root of the wrongdoing, instead of accepting common widespread wrong? Because we're Orthodox.. oujai
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I'm awfully sorry drewHalim.. I think I offended you too much.. there's an Arabic saying along the lines of "whoever doesn't know you lacks sense towards you". I believe that's exactly what happened here.. I'm sorry again Oujai
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What? It's so surprising and strange to see how you'd like to resist any teaching other than Ibrahim Ayad's or Gad's. That's ok, we've all been there until you get more and more experienced and you'll find all of them making mistakes in some things.…
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The annual tune is the annual doxology tune, which is what Wagdy has recorded... oujai
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So we agree to disagree?!!!!!!!!!!!! That's really strange, because any one who understands Coptic hymns (and of course I think you do) will understand no watos tune can be sung on an Adam tune or vice versa!!! Oujai qen `P[C
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Dear drewHalim, cantor Ibrahim Ayad and cantor Gad are wrong. The hymn structure and consequently the tune cannot be Adam, and therefore cannot be fitted on beweik. As much as I agree with you in not being so impressed by Wagdy, he is right, talking…
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Mina, I don't want anything to be standard. I'm here to learn, and when I'm certain of something I say it, when I am not I don't. Again Arabic or English melodies and Christian songs aren't Adam or watos. They don't have any criteria to follow, but…
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Dear Mina, can't remember the source that says beweik is arranged for Sunday's only.. imikhail may shed some light if he still follows this forum. Don't confuse yourself, there are no Arabic melodies that can be described as Adam or watos. dear amou…
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There was a debate before about what should be said during Communion on days other Sunday's but nothing concrete was reached. As drewHalim says all Gospel responses, doxologies, and other long hymns, e.g. kata nikhoros, bebnewma are watos, while ve…
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Thanks Amoussa01 and drewHalim, there are watos tunes and Adam tunes regardless, or perhaps I should say in addition to, the tunes set for specific days of the week. Basically any tune should either be watos or Adam unless it's not separated into qu…
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Dear toitoi, if you mean Lazarus hymn during Communion, then you should know it has only one tune. It's a watos hymn and so it's said as cantor Wagdy recorded it on this site. Those who say it in Adam beweik tune are simply mistaken including Ibrahi…
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do we still stay nefcenti and al ei e i eqoun ? oujai qen P[C
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Dear caji, Tawadros has nothing to do with Arabic language oujai
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Dear remenkimi, Tawadros isn't an Arabic name, nor an Arabic pronunciation.. oujai