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@qawe,That's a very interesting question, actually I don't think it is said No. Even though we still say the doxologies for the three feasts. But then again dannaw isn't said and I can't even remember that the special psalies are said either. I have…
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That's wonderful. Thanks @dg920
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@ShareTheLord and all,Firstly, tv screens in church don't just distract a few people as they have a more collective function. So by contemplating on an icon away from the altar for however long you are taking the saint's blessings and benefiting eve…
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Unfortunately the congregation here complained to abouna that the liturgy may sometimes take more than 45 minutes from the sermon onwards and abouna had to abide by what they said. I'm starting to actually lose faith that prayers, hymns and Coptic m…
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Dear all,I hope if somebody knows any other church using such aids let me know. I'd not be very surprised to find that we're the only onesOujai
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oops forgot to comment on St. Paul's point. Please don't twist the argument to imply that liturgical books are burdens, or indeed the Coptic language..Oujai
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@Amoussa01,Churches a decade ago didn't have screens, and yet people didn't complain including newcomers about their lack of understanding. As far as I am aware living in a western country and going to the Coptic church the number of newcomers barel…
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@EsmoEpchois,Do they distract people from looking at the altar? Do they cause people to get dependent upon them? Oujai
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@Remenkimi,You're right. I'm sorry I have sinned..@minasoliman,I'm afraid the compromises and concessions aren't helpful but harmful. I don't approve of that position. We go to church to seek God and some means of doing this is learning what the chu…
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@Remenkimi,Sorry that you got rather annoyed because I mentioned the expression "clever people". There is no need for me (and certainly no capability I find in myself) to discuss icon theology. But even without that depth of knowledge I can get easi…
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But the counterargument of the clever people would be like: oh no saints don't get upset of such practice, after all those are their words and the faith that's conveyed by them!Oujai
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And also in some churches the screens hide the icons of Christ and the saints!Oujai
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I cannot agree more. Besides the fact that it takes away people's focus on the consecration to the sacraments taking place before our very eyesOujai
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@drewhalim,I don't think it is either illogical or inconsistent. I actually don't know for sure if the Creed and/or our father were sung in the olden days but psychologically speaking it seems that the two have been given more importance than other …
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@Remenkimi,Firstly Greco-Bohairic.Secondly, in a more widened view I would also not want microphones, certain books, certain lights, but definitely not air conditioning. I'm sure you don't need my elaboration and I wouldn't mind if anyone calls me a…
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@drewhalim,Please don't mistake my words as though I'm condoning the disobedience of the holy synod. I'm just questioning their decision in this particular matter. The same dioskoleya prohibits people who have not bathed to partake of the Communion.…
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@drewhalim,For a short period of time some parts that are integral to salvation are omitted, so to skip parts from Kiahk onwards is as you rightly say needless. However, from after the beginning of the Anaphora things seldom change. Indeed they neve…
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@cyril,I'm not sure how someone of your calibre asks the first part of such a question. Anyway, the parts that are slipped refer to the time between the birth and incarnation of Christ and His ascension and sitting at the right hand of the Father. M…
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@EsmoEpchois,There are no shortened versions of the Creed. I guess you mean skipping some sentences until the Ascension feast. In this very example it's not his opinion, it's what we've been taught in the church since we were young. The question is …
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@qawe,You are right. Tasbeha commemoration should be shortened, as this is a reliving of Lordly feasts. Nayrouz shouldn't follow that rule as you also rightly pointed out. Even if the feast of the Cross falls on a Sunday you'd say awashk as this is …
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@qawe,No I am sorry I don't know the synod's position although drewhalim's source is quite valid and definitive in my opinion. I think he also answered all of our questions.Oujai
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@qawe,29th of each Coptic month is always joyous regardless of the day it falls on. Second the rites of the apostles fast are trumped by the joyous rites of the feast. I cannot comment on the third point.Oujai
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@Remenkimi,I agree with most if not all of what you said, apart from two comments. Firstly, talking about Mr. Moftah and Mr. Newlandsmith, now you can see for yourself the unassuming effects of choosing a cantor who doesn't speak like the majority o…
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I hope I am not getting the drift of this conversation, but are people suggesting that there should be choirs with lady or girl singers? I hope I am wrong.Oujai
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Dear all,I just noticed an interesting statement in Labib's book based on Hegomen Fr. Abdel-Messih Salib, which says in page 238: "As for what belongs to the congregation and others, at the same time that after reading the servants' absolution, as i…
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@JC_HMONAS,You read Coptic as well as the western languages from left to right, but Arabic is the opposite. Oujai
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By the way we don't read things out just like that. We pray the readings, starting from the reader himself. Oujai
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@JC_HMONAS,In the Coptic church things are done anti-clockwise and therefore the direction of the Coptic readings is that the reader faces the east. The pro Arabic boffins in their cleverness realised that the opposite would work for Arabic since th…
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@minatasgeel,Very well said man@HC_MONAS,Great to stick to that always and teach it to the young, but remember it's not that you face the west explaining the readings, but rather following the direction of the text. So Arabic is the opposite of Copt…
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@ JC_HMONAS,Of course you'd say the day's verses. Unfortunately for many cantors it's not straightforward to fit the tune on any day's verses so they take no risks and record what's been handed down from before them. We should however be smarter tha…