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It as mabsoota says. I tell my people to bow from the waist at this time if they can.
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No problem
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Here is the draft of an article I have written about prostrations based on the useful selection of patristic texts which was posted earlier.. ======================================================= The British Orthodox Church within the Coptic Ort…
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I've changed the title
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imikhail, Coptic is not an 'original' language. It is a translation from the Greek, just as the English and Arabic are translations from the Greek.
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...And how cleanly Greek structures can be mapped onto Coptic, which has been my unanswered question. Since Coptic is not related to Greek, despite using loan words, I suggest that there are as many, but different, obstacles to mapping Greek into Co…
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I think you are wrong to strictly assign meaning to the presence or absence of the definite article, certainly in Greek and probably in Coptic. This is why the scholarly translators of the Bible use the definite article in English even if it is not…
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I have written an article that considers this question to some extent. It is here ... http://britishorthodox.org/glastonbury-review/8/
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Thanks, that will be helpful. I for one am not at all interested in playing a popularity contest between various figures. But if a particular view, especially one which is of Scriptural origin, is to be rejected then it is necessary to have some de…
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imikhail, you need to provide the context for what Father Matta said first please. Otherwise we are at a disadvantage because you have read his writings and we/I have not. We should discuss the Scriptural idea of our being crucified with Christ af…
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There are correct ways to understand the Scripture that we are crucified with Christ. This is not the issue at first. What we need to understand is how Father Matta described this union, not so that we can say anything about Father Matta, but so th…
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Again imikhail, I think that it is YOU who must provide context. You say that we do not believe that we have been crucified with Christ, yet even the Scriptures say that we have been. YOU raised this point, so what evidence can you provide to show …
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A little while ago I took one of His Holiness' English language books with a view to editing it into good English, but I had to abandon the project because in too many instances it was just not clear at all what the translation meant. Now I am ent…
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None of those statements are not-Orthodox in themselves. In each case it is necessary to ask what is meant. If you have raised them as non-Orthodox teachings (and in themselves they are not non-Orthodox) then it seems only reasonable that you provi…
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I do not have Arabic so I cannot comment on the page in the book by Father Matta. But to say that we have everything that Christ has does not seem to me to be heretical at all and definitely does not require us to say that we become Divine in essen…
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Sorry, I don't agree. In what context are you saying that the Holy Spirit refers to the Person of the Holy Spirit, and Holy Spirit does not refer to the Person of the Holy Spirit? The Greek in the Gospels is NOT the simple past tense, the Coptic …
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Imikhail you have not explained why the Coptic uses the simple past when the Greek, and by extension the English, does not.
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imikhail, The form 'was risen' again does not include any sense of another agency. It is a past tense of the verb that is all. I am not sure what you are saying. Your example of John 2:22 just shows that the Greek form does not have one fixed tr…
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I am talking about meanings, does anything else matter? The word raise has many meanings, but one is clearly belongs to the collection of meanings around the verb rise. There is no passive form... I have been risen it is the form I have been r…
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Christ was risen means that at some point in the past Christ was in the state of being risen from the dead, but possibly is not now. It does not carry any sense of another agency. Christ was raised means that at some point in the past Christ was ra…
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imikhail, sorry, your English is not accurate. rise, raise, rose are all the same verb. We can say Christ rose, and Christ was risen and both are the same verb with different nuances. Neither form says anything at all about whether or not the acti…
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I am a little confused as to what you mean imikhail. How do you believe the phrase should be translated? And what then do ophadece and remnkemi think of that translation? And how is it not possible to say it in English, and how and why is it diffe…
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It's bad English I have problems with.
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Lol! I prefer proper old English. What I can't stand is bad English. I wish people translating into English would get the help of those who are native English speakers, even native US English speakers at a push. This is happening more now but lots o…
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As far as I can see, bowing is allowed, but prostrations are not. I have instructed my own congregation to bow deeply when they would make a prostration. I have also consulted my own authorities on the Coptic rite and they also insist that the Tra…
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He is not a saint in our Orthodox churches, although he seems to have been a holy man. I do not think he is widely considered a saint in the Eastern Orthodox churches even, and is known mostly by Russians.
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Well if it is what people do then it is a practice, that is the definition of a practice. I believe that you are right about how it has come about. I have read that in the Greek Church, where prostrations are also forbidden on a Sunday, it happened…
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Bishop Mettaous says that there are to be no prostrations of worship on Sundays or the 50 days. And European visitors in the past (even in 1946) noted that Copts did not prostrate on Sunday. I wonder then if the practice of prostrations on Sundays…