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I have read many of the posts here around this discussion of attending Protestant gatherings: My question to those who would like to attend these meetings. What is that that the Protestants have that the Orthodox Church does not? Please, everyone …
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The discussion is not going anywhere because you are fixated on the idea that Alhan center or revolve around M Mikhail. I am not belittling M. Mikhail but I am saying that there is another source of hymns and that source happens to be in OB. You ar…
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then why is it that women were not clean 40 days for boys and 80 days for a girl. The reason is God's compassion for women. Let me explain. As you know women were in charge of the house tasks like cleaning, cooking, ... etc which are evident in th…
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Why don't you contact Fr. Shenouda and ask him. His nhmber is listed on the website I mentioned.
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I am not sure what source you are asking for. What source are we talking about. It seems we are talking about different sources. Before Aryan's changes, were the hymns chanted the way M Mikhail recorded them? Of course not. Why? Because the way h…
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First, the Alhan is not just as recorded by sound. If you follow the way the psalis are written you would notice that every section is authored after the Coptic alphabet. If you use the GB sounds, you will lose that order. Second, M Mikhail and hi…
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No I am not throwing the hymns in the Garbage. You used Mo3aallem Mikhail as an evidence that the hymns were only recorded in GB. Then you claimed that Abouna Shenouda invented the OB Alhan. So I am disputing your facts by saying that there was a s…
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Your facts are not correct regarding Abouna Shenouda's recordings. He learned or rather received the hymns from a Mo3allem who himself received the hymns in OB. Mo3allem Mikhail was the first disciple of Gerges Moftah and Aryan Afandi. Thanks.
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Minatasgeel, you are taking my comment out of context. Please, read my previous comments. What Ik am saying is the religious heritage handed to us from the fathers through Alhan and Tasbe7a has been distorted by the deformed so called GB. I am n…
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I understand what you are trying to say. But such claims do affect the religious perspective, in my mind I cannot separate the two. I cannot look at Coptic from a mere linguistic prism because I cannot separate the religious heritage from the langua…
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In the case of Coptic, where you have a language that is only used ecclesiastically, with regard to usage one pronunciation is as good as another. I beg to differ. Pronunciation preserves the "voice of the Fathers". Correct pronunciation, of Bohairi…
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I think this obscures the fact that, as it is the pronunciation adopted by the Church and common more or less throughout the entire Coptic world (diaspora and homeland), it is certainly acceptable to treat it as a particular variety that has the s…
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I do not want to deviate from the discussion of the topic of Coptic phonology. Okirios is not Coptic but Greek and one section of it is against the teaching of the Church. Unfortunately people like it because of its tune. Fortunately, another Cop…
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Reminimi If that were the case, then we need to consider modern Hebrew as fake. And we can also extend that premise to government bodies who enforce a "standardized" alphabet or a "standardized" dialect. It's not one individual person in this case, …
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To me, the premise upon which GB was built and the way it was built by one person's own opinion and judgment, makes GB a fake pronunciation. Unless we dispute this fact, then I am not sure what constitutes fake. Please, I need help!!! Thanks
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Remenkimi, What broad generalizations you are referring to. If you please list them, and we can get to the specifics. Thanks.
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I never said that there are theological reasons. I did provide the two positions within the Coptic church with regards to PS. What I am saying is that the reason it stopped is because of the canons that were introduced in the 11th century and late…
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You for got: Ton Cina, To lithos Zefte Pantes o kirios The kiahk expositions said in the vesper praises and many others. I am not saying all but most. Of course, hymns like Ajios, or the Greek responses in the liturgy are very old. Thanks.
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I would also like to point out that most of the Greek hymns we now have were borrowed from the Greek Church during that period during the attempt of unity between Melekite and the Coptic Churches.
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Thanks Father Peter for this historic evidence. The other part that plays in the mix, and it is true till today, that the Copts are fond of anything that is Western or foreign. They try to imitate what is foreign to them whether it is right or wron…
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Constantinople did not fell to the Ottoman Empire till 1453. I think we agree about that. And we also agree, I believe, that the Church of Constantinople suffered the same fate as the Church of Alexandria. So, if Islam was the same factor in both C…
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Dear Fr Peter, My question still remains, what is the connection between Islam and the PS. Islamic brutality did not cease or change between the periods of 7th-10th century and the Middle Ages. In fact you mentioned that the PS was still in use in…
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You are missing my point Fr. Peter. You said that the practiced died because of Islamic influence. My question is why the practice did not die in the Greek Church, the Church of Constaninople which was also under the Islamic rule during the Middl…
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There is no way, scientifically, we can put both on the same level. Historically we know the sounds of the Coptic letters till 1857 when one person using false premise changed them. The premise was that just because Coptic uses Greek letters then C…
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I beg to differ with you Fr Peter. First, the canon of Pope Khristodolo in the 11th century commanded the monks of St Makarius to stop the practice of Reservation, points to the fact that the Reservation practice already stopped in Cairo but was st…
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I am not sure what are we debating here. In my comments, I have said that the Reservation was used till the Middle Ages and the attitude in the Church of Alexandria, through the canons and the Father's teachings, was against the practice. Yes, it …
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Thanks Timothym for the insight. Pleasse refer to my earlir comment regarding the reason why the presanctified or Reservation practice stopped in the Coptic Church. It was not due to Islamic influence but rather to the canons and the teachings of t…
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Any language has the inconsistencies you referred to. Let's look at English C can have the sound of either K or C as in Cat and Ceremony Ph has the F sound as in philosophy s has z or sh sound as in is or sure h has two sounds as hello or hour g ha…
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ophadece, I am not aware of any electronic version. Thanks
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The authoritative rites are contained in our manuscripts. The most important one is Tarteeb Alby3aa. Thanks.