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So reading the references posted, it is clear that the studies lean toward having these two figures of "good reputation" among the apostles and not necessarily they were apostles themselves. These studies agree with the Coptic translation that they…
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There 70 apostles are mentioned in St. Luke's gospel correct? The Tradition of the Coptic Church is that there were 72 apostles. BTW none were women
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Were there any priestesses in the OT? Priesthood in the OT as well as the NT is preserved from men. Through man came the woman. Meaning that her life or existence is dependent on him. Through man came salvation, the 2nd Adam, who brought life ba…
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The term "apostle" in the Church has a very specific context: Bishop who has the authority to establish Churches, ordain priests, baptize, .... All the apostles, the 72 and the 12 had those authorities. Non of these authorities were given to wome…
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It seems they were both Gentiles who became Christian as a result of their encounter with St. Paul. Both these people were certainly Jews. They may also be related to St Paul. Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who …
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The term "apostle" in the Church has a very specific context: Bishop who has the authority to establish Churches, ordain priests, baptize, .... All the apostles, the 72 and the 12 had those authorities. Non of these authorities were given to wome…
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Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it any less valid. However, allow me to 'update' it to the present tense so you can better swallow it. Who gave you the authority to update any verse so that it may fit your interpretation. Here is the v…
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I asked where is the source of the Origen statement. Does anyone know? If we cannot establish the authenticity of the statement, then there is niether external nor internal evidence that women were ordained to be apostles
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If I said, 'imikhail is ofnote among the resident village idiots on tasbeha.org' and 'imikhail is among the resident village idiots on tasbeha.org' it is clear that imikhail IS a resident village idiot on tasbeha.org. The difference is, in the first…
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Now that we've clearly established your lack of English reading and verbal comprehension, perhaps it would be wise to just step aside, not allowing further embarrassment of your 'condition' and just let the adults carry on with their discussion. We?…
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I Deleted My Message to Cephas.
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I Deleted My Message to Cephas.
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137546#msg137546 date=1304749877] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137540#msg137540 date=1304741958] May be lack of comprehension on your part .. Here is the verse again Romans 16:7 NKJ "Greet A…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137541#msg137541 date=1304742784] + Irini nem ehmot, English is clearly a second language to you. In English, both sentences can mean the exact same thing. To say someone is of note, means they are special am…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137535#msg137535 date=1304738973] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137533#msg137533 date=1304737324] That is not the opinion of St. Cyril pillar of faith. His explanation is alrea…
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Romans 16:7 NKJ "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me." Let me explain it to you since you seem to skip words: St Paul says: "Who are of note amon…
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St. John Chrysostom would disagree with you. How would he disagree with me when he says: "Then another praise besides. Who are of note among the Apostles. And indeed to be apostles at all is a great thing. But to be even among these of note, just c…
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That is not the opinion of St. Cyril pillar of faith. His explanation is already posted in this thread.
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Here is the verse about Junia: Romans 16:7 NKJ "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me." The verse talks of their reputation among the apostles not t…
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My dear brother, I hope that you find no offense in my posting in response to your words. I just wish to clarify things in order that we all may benefit with one another in this season of the Holy Fifty Days. We are not arguing whether the disciples…
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My question was what your basis was that she dd not believe, as she goes on to preach to the disciples what it was that she had seen and professed the resurrection to the disciples. This Biblical account itself shows her belief; the personal musings…
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The communion, the Body, used to be given to bare hands and people used to take it to their homes. Up to the 2nd and early 3rd centuries, this was allowed. But later, canons forbid it.
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That's not entirely true. St. Thomas was told by the Disciples that He is risen. At least 10 people told him to his face. I don't see that as being any different than Mary Magdalene's situation. Remember the 2 disciples on the road to Emmaus? They a…
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On a separate, yet more general, note: if claims are to be made in any thread, they should be substantiated by the collective understanding of our Church Fathers. Personal musings are just that and we must be careful not to present them as the belie…
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I must apologize once again for asking, but what Patristic support do you have to validate this claim? Is this personal opinion? Read the accounts in the Gospels and you will not find that St Thomas went to the tomb, did not see Jesus after His resu…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137490#msg137490 date=1304705857] + Irini nem ehmot, St. Thomas also doubted the resurrection, yet Christ permitted him to touch Him. Explain the difference. I agree all are one in Christ. However, by your re…
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My main objection is to attribute the act of forbidding Mary from touching the Lord to her gender. This is absolutely wrong. God does not have partiality when it comes gender for all are one in Christ. Touching the Lord's body had nothing to do …
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This ascension is not the final ascension at the conclusion of the blessed 40 days that the Lord spent with the disciples. It is the ascension right after the resurrection. The disciples and all other believers could touch the Lord after this ascen…
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For a person to be convinced with the Orthodox teaching, he/she must be humble and submit oneself to the Church. If there is no belief of the Church's authority, then it is impossible to change one's mind no matter how much evidence you provide. Th…