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Moftah's system is artificial, but at least he discussed the same issue that started this thread 155 years ago. And we still can't come up with a resolution. So, are you suggesting that Aryan's system solved the problem? The solution should have b…
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And the changes in GB, in my opinion, can be compared to other language shift examples. We do not need comparisons with other languages. We have our heritage that we received from our saintly fathers. The change that took place was based on faulty…
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I also think OB is just as inconsistent. What inconsistencies are you referring to? And OB is definitely not superior or more authentic. Authenticity can be studied and produced while inventions cannot. OB can be traced to the pre Christianity (…
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But I have seen enough examples of inconsistency in OB. Shenouda is one of them List your references, so we can follow your argument.
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This doesn't change the fact that both words have one pronounciation. Again, what is wrong with having different words with the same pronunciation? What is your point?
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Here's another example from Moftah. P[oic vyetcwoun n`nihyt n`te ouon niben (which means "The Lord who knows the hearts of everyone") and P[oic vyatcwoun n`nihat n`te ouon niben (which means "The Lord who does not know the silver of everyone"). Both…
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That being the case, the old kholagies (euchologion) before Aryan Moftah must have had the old spelling is that so? Also, if this is the case, then there must be some old kholagies from the 19th century that we can reprint and start pronouncing the …
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But that doesn't mean there is no non-obvious reason to sell non-fasting food during the festival. The Church should not be in the business of selling food, but this is a side note. Selling non fast food during fasting inside the church or on th…
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David took the Temple bread because his companions were hungry, just like the disciples picking fruit on the Sabbath. But the Sabbath rule doesn't trump the act of mercy, nor does eating priest-only food rule superceed saving a brother's life. You a…
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Showing an act of mercy changes the intention. There are more than one way to show acts of mercy. One may be to eat whatever is given to you in order not to offend a host. One may be to eat non-fasting food to save yourself from starvation. These ar…
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In OB, at least as it is reconstructed today, there is no rule on which "e" vowel is pronounced "a". So both Senou] and Senoute are both pronounced /shanouda/. Wong. In OB "e" is always said "a" as in man The lack of a rule is so rampant that ce…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11828.msg141346#msg141346 date=1310489420] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141341#msg141341 date=1310485818] It seems to me every generation comes of a new way of saying things in Coptic. The reason is th…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11828.msg141340#msg141340 date=1310485344] ILSM, You are right, legal name is different than linguistic pronunciation. I would quantify your claim by stating, "living" bishops or patriarchs go by the name they were…
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An icon in the Church means the real presence of the depicted character. The Son was present among us and we have seen Him. So was the Holy Spirit. But, the Father never took a form and that is why we do not depict Him.
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BTW, I am not picking on Remenkimi. I just felt that there were important points he raised that need to be addressed.
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In fact, things that seem inappropriate by cultural norms are in fact appropriate by Christian standards. Culture has nothing to do with breaking the Church rules. If the Church's rule is to fast, then ALL must fast, except when given permission b…
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(1) the act of eating is done out of mercy, [(2) it is not food offered to idols] and (3) it does not stumble a brother. These conditions do not apply in the context of Church fasting. We cannot break the Church's commandment and say we are doing i…
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In addition, there is no church canon anywhere that says you can't sell non-fasting food during a fasting period. This might seem like an overt Pharisee argument (i.e., only the Pharisees had such rules) but the opposite is also an overt Pharisee ar…
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"“Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?" Matt 12:3-5…
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So let me be clear. I am not advocating breaking church canons. Fasting is an Orthodox canon. Also, I am not advocating eating non-fasting food in fasting periods if it causes someone to stumble. I am only saying that eating non-fasting food, if do…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11834.msg141320#msg141320 date=1310474063] [quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=11834.msg141316#msg141316 date=1310468697] The Hoshani tune is used for the overall Feast of the Cross, however, the Festal Tune …
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another way to pronounce it in 1975 Old Bohairic, and another way to pronounce it pre-1975 Old Bohairic. I am not sure where the 1975 comes from? OB is the authentic form of Bohairic till aryan Motah changed around the year 1858 as a result of the…
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no plans YOU don't know about.....i got a confirmation of the completion of translation and now in the editing phase...... hopefully we get something this year--POSSIBLY with full coptic. Wow In 5 months, the editing, printing(done in Egypt), shipp…
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Sorry geomike ... I misunderstood what you said.
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Books are different than food. The church is not supposed to make a profit on selling books. The church incurred cost to acquire the books and people who buy it should pay that cost back. Food on the other hand is for sharing an aghaby together. T…
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The same is true with all the Coptic translations of the tasbeha
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because it's like a book store not a library, plus the money is going to the church funds not to the pocket of the priest. I do not accept the last part of this phrase " the money is going to the church funds not to the pocket of the priest". I doub…
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The 7th of January is what the Church goes by for political reasons. That is why the nativity feast could be celebrated either on the 28th or the 29th of Kiahk. These rules are explained in various ritual books like khedmat Al Shammas, Khoulagy ka…
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In other words, the union of the churches is not the cause of the change in Coptic pronunciation. What I'm really trying to show is that we should not make claims without solid evidence, whether historical claims of supposed events or linguistic cla…
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Thanks mina for the info. I am still baffled as to why borrowing Greek hymns or words instead of authoring Coptic ones. Are we, as Copts, lost the Coptic language to the extent we only know the alphabet? ???