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Ophadece, I did not say they cannot. This is the protocol: A visiting priest from a sister Church prays the liturgy that the hosting Church "normally" prays. For example, if an Ethiopian priest is visiting the Coptic Church, he will pray St Basil…
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and secondly, the Orthodox Church has to become more catholic - i.e. UNIVERSAL.. it should not be a CHurch for a particular nation, but for ALL nations. Now, does this mean unity with the Catholics? Not necessarily, although some traditionalist ca…
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Kephas is correct.
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I have advocated a multi-cultural model found in the early Apostolic period (no Greek vs. Jew, no male vs. female, no Copt vs. convert). What evidence do you have to support this claim?
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the Coptic tunes. There is an ancient and Orthodox tradition of Western chant, and a great many specialists with extensive knowledge and experience. The choice is not between Coptic/Arabic chant and Protestant hymns. It is between an Eastern Chant …
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Mikhail, the OCA has its roots in the Russian Orthodox Church, not Greek. And where does the Russian Church have its roots?
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Sure, sure. I'm just saying that this essentially what you have in OCA with regards to its ties to its Russian mother church, but it is not really to cater to the American culture specifically. Forgive me, but I read your previous post as saying es…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11903.msg142024#msg142024 date=1311788820] I meant a church full of Americans, primarily not of Egyptian heritage, worshiping according to the norms established by the Coptic Orthodox Church. Call it whatever you wa…
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You could form a "American Coptic Orthodox Church" How can it be American and Coptic at the same time?
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And imikhaiil is wrong. If Kenyans in Britain or the US form their own church when there is already an Orthodox Church, then we are no different than Martin Luther and other Protestants who started the Protestant Reformation. The premise is that an…
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I am not sure what is the Lol for. If you really did study sahidic, you will notice that it is different than Bohairic which is what on www.speakcoptic.org
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Imikahail, 2 Peter 3:8 NKJV But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The full context of the verse is about God's patience. The comparison between a day and tho…
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In Zoxasi's example, a Copt told the convert that "What are you doing here?...You're not Egyptian" Granted this was a child and this incident was probably an aberration. But such verbal abuse is equivalent to pointing a gun at a convert's head and k…
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Yes. "To the Greek, I became Greek so that I may win the Greeks. To the Jew..." To the convert, I became a convert so that I may win converts. No convert expects you to abandon your language, your tradition or your hymns. They are going to expect to…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=11903.msg141978#msg141978 date=1311716991] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11903.msg141955#msg141955 date=1311690714] Secondly, if multiple Churches occupy the same space and the only difference is culture, then t…
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what does "Tenacpi esna onkh" mean?
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Mikhail: I like Coptic hymns a lot, and my ears are as white as the rest of me! So I don't know what you're talking about there. I think any non-Copt attracted to the Church is probably first attracted by the beauty of the hymns and liturgy (except …
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=11903.msg141959#msg141959 date=1311699682] Mabsoota: abouna pishoy salama has an awesome church, i saw it via the net once and lots of his church servants (from all different ethnic groups) got interviewed. A bright e…
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Concerning the hymns - I disagree 100% with iMikhail. What do you mean western hymns cannot function in the Orthodox Church? This is hogwash. You misunderstood my post. Read it again.
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The converts in Africa didn't modify their culture because they still live there. They cannot bring their form of worship to Egypt and expect every native Copt to follow their form of worshipping. I agree but you are missing the point. There is a …
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But they are forcing their culture by ostracizing everyone who is not Coptic. Zoxasi gave some examples. I gave some examples. These examples do not depict forcing anything on anybody. The situation we have with these instances is as follows: We ha…
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Every time we choose to a new Protestant-like Arabic hymn instead of a Coptic hymn, we are abandoning our heritage a little bit. It happens all the time. Every time we choose to have a social gathering, a pizza party, a fund raiser, instead of prayi…
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Does Coptic music suit the Coptic ear? When 95%+ of the Copts know less than 5% of our Coptic hymns, much less tolerate any hymn that is more than 2 minutes, can we actually say Coptic music suits the Coptic ear? Knowledge of hymns has nothing to do…
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there really should be more cultural diversity in the Coptic Church, as we see in the Greek, Russian, Antiochian churches This will never happen. Again, the Coptic music does not suit the Western ear and the ethnic Copts will not abandon their herit…
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i think our priest needs to speak the language of the country.. that's their main problem. This is you opportunity to make a difference.
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Christian churches are supposed to be multi-cultural I disagree. Religion influences culture and culture influences the way people respond to religion. Churches by definition are ethnic, yet faith is multicultural. This is evident throughout the …
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If we have the TRUE faith, then should we be calling ourselves the Church of Egypt? Or should we be calling ourselves the Oriental Orthodox Apostolic Church? I have never heard the term "the Church of Egypt". However, I have heard the Church of Alex…
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If someone has NOTHING to do with Egypt, what kind of message is the Church giving these people??? What signals is it sending to these people that have chosen oriental orthodoxy who are living outside of Egypt?? Oriental Orthodoxy is not limited to…
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I think it was a HUGE MISTAKE calling the British Orthodox Church, the BRITISH orthodox Church. I felt that we have had ENOUGH of a nationalistic presence within the Coptic Church as it is!!!! History does not side with this logic. Even when there …
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where in the Bible it says that the seventh day is still going on. As far as I know, God is working and not resting. In the story of creation, the time as it relates to man had not yet started for man was not created. Thus, when it says "the evenin…