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I will steer back the discussion to the topic of the thread. The main discussion of this thread is whether the Church teaches of salvation to those outside the Church. To summarize: Salvation is granted only through the Church for within the Chur…
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I agree with LID. There is no Tradition, Alexandrian or otherwise, which calls Demas "Saint". No dedication of an altar to his name throughout the history of the Church and no mention of him in any Church diptych. I believe this is a discussion fo…
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We do not die symbolically with Christ. We do die effectively with Christ and rise with Him.
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12303.msg144455#msg144455 date=1315679690] There is the story of St. Marium el massreya, st. Marium the Copt... Oujai [/quote] St Mary of Egypt DID receive baptism in the Jordan river.
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12303.msg144452#msg144452 date=1315678216] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12303.msg144450#msg144450 date=1315677006] [quote author=ophadece link=topic=12303.msg144449#msg144449 date=1315676902] D…
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Salvation in the Scriptures is very clear and there is no shady ground when it comes to the Church teaching. There are absolute steps one must take to attain salvation: Repentance Faith in Christ as the only Savior Baptism Good Works Without t…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12303.msg144449#msg144449 date=1315676902] DEar Cephas, I think you last post is much clearer than the previous one, and like imikhail I think I missed your point, but you expressed it more concisely and elaborately…
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[quote author=JG link=topic=12293.msg144413#msg144413 date=1315579346] From what I understand, in olden times when the Church was consecrated with the Holy Myron, they also consecrated the floors. Whether that lead to people having to remove their…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12293.msg144412#msg144412 date=1315579178] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12293.msg144386#msg144386 date=1315495271] Actually it has to do with a different emphasis on the symbol of shoes (or san…
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Contrary to what you may think, these verses have everything to do with what we are talking about. St. Paul sets up a dichotomy: he compares and contrasts those who have the Law with those who do not. He further states that those who have the Law an…
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Once again, your ability to create a strawman and misrepresent a person's argument rears its ugly head. Where has anyone on this entire thread mentioned Universal Salvation? This leads me to conclude one of two things, either a) you have no clue wha…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12293.msg144379#msg144379 date=1315492698] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12293.msg144370#msg144370 date=1315487263] There are some Orthodox who do not remove their at all in any place inside the…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12303.msg144384#msg144384 date=1315494047] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12303.msg144382#msg144382 date=1315493218] If we are asked by someone directly: "Can I be saved outside the Church?" The …
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The Church is the only place where one can receive baptism without which there is no salvation. So, there is no salvation outside the Church. This is what is important. We know this and we will be measured by what we know. As for those who are outs…
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[quote author=LoveisDivine link=topic=12303.msg144369#msg144369 date=1315486595] There is no teaching anywhere that says one has to be Coptic to be saved. So long as a person leads an Orthodox spiritual life including belief in the Nicean creed and…
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As Kephas indicated that removing of the shoes is a pious thing. There are some Orthodox who do not remove theirs at all in any place inside the church whether it is the altar, the sanctuary. They have a different tradition. Our Coptic Tradition wa…
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Regarding the change of ecclesiastical rites, I can make a small comment. Nayrouz joyous tune duration is not the only rite that has changed. I don't think the rites were meant to be so rigid. I think rites were dynamically changed based on the nee…
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=12293.msg144278#msg144278 date=1315335366] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12293.msg144272#msg144272 date=1315322551] It is better to take off our shoes once we are in the church sanctuary. Whenever we are in the…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12290.msg144269#msg144269 date=1315318953] Dear imikhail, I am interested to understand what your views are on the change in rites, even though you don't have a reference as such. Oujai qen `P[C [/quote] The feast …
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12184.msg144292#msg144292 date=1315341769] Dear imikhail, They are not Arabic words strictly speaking. They CANNOT be called "authentic" Arabic words... that's my argument... I hope that is clear... Oujai qen `P[C […
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12184.msg144288#msg144288 date=1315340992] So if awashy or ebsaleyat are not Arabic and they are not Coptic, then what language are they? [/quote] They are Arabic words, used in the Church, of Coptic roots.
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It is better to take off our shoes once we are in the church sanctuary. Whenever we are in the church sanctuary we are considered in heaven before God. Out of respect and as a sign of submission we take off our shoes. This is the Tradition we recei…
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You have some good points Reminkimi. Correct me if I misunderstood you. You say that Shara is a Greek loan word that was borrowed and used in Coptic. I agree completely with this. You say that nishara is authentic Coptic word. I am afraid I do not…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12175.msg144264#msg144264 date=1315311019] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12175.msg144219#msg144219 date=1315186013] Who mentioned attack but you? Read my comment carefully .. Here it is with emphasis: Hope you…
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=12290.msg144260#msg144260 date=1315297097] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12290.msg144255#msg144255 date=1315284146] [quote author=peter_saad link=topic=12290.msg144245#msg144245 date=1315269219] Do we sing the …
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12175.msg144229#msg144229 date=1315236857] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12175.msg144219#msg144219 date=1315186013] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12175.msg144218#msg144218 date=1315185810] i…
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[quote author=peter_saad link=topic=12290.msg144245#msg144245 date=1315269219] Do we sing the Nayrouz hymns (doxology, psalm and gospel response) just the one day or the whole month? [/quote] The original rite used to be only one day, the first of …
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To summarize this debate It has been shown that Origen was excommunicated by the Church of Alexandria during his life, a fact was disputed on this thread. It has been shown that Origen was excommunicated for his false docrines, another fact that …
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12120.msg144247#msg144247 date=1315272254] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12120.msg144246#msg144246 date=1315271182] The bottom line Origen was and still is excommunicated on doctrinal issues as …
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12120.msg144247#msg144247 date=1315272254] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12120.msg144246#msg144246 date=1315271182] The bottom line Origen was and still is excommunicated on doctrinal issues as …