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+ Irini nem ehmot, Hello Ceder, My name is tricky as it is written using Greek text. Feel free to call me Cephas if you like. I totally understand how busy things can be with school. I would strongly suggest that before you engage in any sort of…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Hello Ceder, Welcome to the forums. If you are genuine about this, may I suggest some books for you to read. I see you're in Sweden, and so I suspect, though am not 100% that some of the writings of the Church Fathers have been …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Unworthy1, I'm not sure if you have already done this or not, but here are the wikipedia articles on Andronicus and Junia. Let me know your thoughts.
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137563#msg137563 date=1304797275] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137560#msg137560 date=1304796671] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137558#msg137…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137558#msg137558 date=1304796109] Then who breathed on the 70? Can we so readily dismiss any possibility that St. Paul breathed on Junia and gave her the apostleship in the narrow sense…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137545#msg137545 date=1304749781] So it is agreed that she was an apostle (forgive me imikhail but your argument is unfounded). Now we are talking about what that entails. Cephas brough…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137550#msg137550 date=1304773309] Clearly you need some critical thinking ... you seem to interpret what you want to hear. [/quote] Do you even know what critical thinking is? And I…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137549#msg137549 date=1304773005] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137535#msg137535 date=1304738973] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137533#msg13753…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, English is clearly a second language to you. In English, both sentences can mean the exact same thing. To say someone is of note, means they are special among a group of people. For instance if I said, 'George Washington is of no…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Abanoub737 link=topic=11356.msg137532#msg137532 date=1304736055] [quote author=Marenhos Epchois link=topic=11356.msg137505#msg137505 date=1304713375] but i also think that any other tattoo besides the small coptic c…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137534#msg137534 date=1304738031] St. John Chrysostom would disagree with you. How would he disagree with me when he says: "Then another praise besides. Who are of note among the Apostl…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137533#msg137533 date=1304737324] That is not the opinion of St. Cyril pillar of faith. His explanation is already posted in this thread. [/quote] So you pick and choose when to agree w…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137525#msg137525 date=1304731034] We are not arguing whether the disciples recognized Him on His first appearance to them. What we are comparing is Mary Magdalene and Thomas and why one …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, St. John Chrysostom would disagree with you. Homily XXXI on Rom. xvi. 5. said:Ver. 7. “Salute Andronicus and Junia my kinsmen.” This also looks like an encomium. And what follows is much more so. And what sort is this of? “And m…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, These are just my thoughts. If we look at the original Apostles of Christ, something that makes them unique is that Christ breathed in their faces and gave them the Holy Spirit to bind and loose sins. This is clearly indicative o…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=childoforthodoxy link=topic=11375.msg137507#msg137507 date=1304714624] The claim that I was referring to was your line stating that "she spoke with Jesus and still she could not believe." This is why I stated: "The…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137492#msg137492 date=1304706866] The difference is in the details .. St Thomas never saw Jesus after resurrection, did not talk with the angels, did not go the tomb. St Mary Magdalene h…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, St. Thomas also doubted the resurrection, yet Christ permitted him to touch Him. Explain the difference. I agree all are one in Christ. However, by your reasoning, there is no reason not to have female priests. Priests handle the…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Fair enough. But what do you make of the quote from St. Cyril then? It seems to contradict this thought. As for the communicants partaking of the Body of Christ during the Eucharist, I would think there is a difference between c…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, Thanks for the quote. I figured there was only one ascension, which is why I too was curious where the notion of multiple ascensions came from.
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+ Irini nem ehmot, This is the first I've heard of two ascensions. Do you have any Patristic evidence of it occurring? The verse in Hebrews doesn't seem to prove it one way or another.
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I would have to agree a little with imikhail. The burden of proof is also on your professor to show that there were, in fact, female priests that served in the early Church and then, gradually were phased out. That being said, I…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137340#msg137340 date=1304530925] But my first response is that I doubt that these male-female relationships were picked up from the Romans - at least in the first century. The early Ch…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I think what I referenced will help answer your question. Allow me to type an excerpt for you: ... If Jesus included numerous women among his disciples -- some of whom were the first to proclaim the 'good news' of his resurrecti…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, They are both corrective and normative. The same standards apply today in Church. While they may address a specific problem at a specific time, this problem still exists and the corrective solution is still found in these Epistle…
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+ Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137331#msg137331 date=1304527665] So you all seem to agree that women can have leadership roles. Now I will ask the same question I asked several times: How do we reconcile that with …
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+ Irini nem ehmot, I'm not sure how one can necessarily equate leadership with the priesthood. Women, to this day, have leadership positions in the church. There are women sunday school teachers (a leadership position). There are women in charge of…