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Please forgive me if you wish not to discuss this, but may I ask exactly what is it that has brought you to this point?
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I have written a paper on this very subject of are protestants Christian, if anyone would like to read it I can send via email. The epistles of St Paul are very useful in this area as he continually warns us that in the end people will fall away and…
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Fr. Peter as I said before you must provide proof and sufficient evidence to support your claim. So far you have said, I agree with the Bishops and Pope Shenouda, that is literally all you have said, you have not even given any of their quotes or w…
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Fr. Peter again you are shoving words down my throat and then accusing me of saying them. Ecumenism is liberal, its a fact. What you do is take what I say and then apply it to everything else and then treat me as if I am just making things up or mak…
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[quote author=peterfarrington link=topic=8797.msg110404#msg110404 date=1265876031] Dear Mixalhs, I do not believe I have ever said that Protestantism is the same or equal to Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy. It is clearly not. But again you are choo…
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Certified Orthodox, If you ask a priest and get a different answer from that of another does that make them or the church wrong? No, because both answers are right. If you think Christ came for one reason only then your mistaken. One was to establis…
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I actually blame the earlier reformers Fr. Peter. Its not like the Orthodox and RCC had no contact, just before the reformation St Mark of Ephesus took them on in the council of florence. Martin Luther knew full well that the Orthodox Church existed…
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Fr. Peter again, I clarified nothing you put words into my mouth through your own interpretation. On one hand you tell me to watch my mouth and not criticize, then you ask me to criticize. I do not know how you come to the conclusion that the RCC es…
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Fr. Peter stop shoving words into my mouth. I NEVER said all do not believe in sacraments. Did I ever once say I consider Catholics Christians? I said I disagree with many things Catholic, but what I do agree with is they worship liturgically, they …
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He is correct, there was corruption in the church. There will be in any church, God forbid. This does not however mean that the church itself is bad or the doctrines are bad or evil. St Paul, forgive me I do not know the verse, in one of his epistle…
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I am glad you have finally decided to engage me, one truly finds out exactly what another person is in this sort of situation. As I had said before PROTESTants, protest the church, as well as the sacraments. Do they practice communion and baptism, y…
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Honestly I think it is mostly in America. I dont know that I have been to a church that does not teach the rapture, or where most of the congregation does not believe it. Every church I have been to taught Chilliasm, or atleast a form of Chilliasm. …
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Maybe I missed something but I thought we were discussing protestantism? Why would I attack the RCC? Remember me saying "a church without sacraments is not a house of God but a seat of satan"? I disagree with many things about the RCC, but their wor…
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Fr. Peter you are now being absurd. I have told you and will tell you again, if Pope Shenouda believes they are not heretics how then could he be depsoed? It comes down to interpretation, please do not try and coax me into condemning someone, that i…
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Fr. Peter, you yourself said in the thread you removed that protestants indeed are part of the body of Christ, your words. This means that they are Orthodox. As we believe the Orthodox church is THE one true church and it is the body of Christ. So I…
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Fr. Peter first off I am not a layman, I am a deacon. I have clearly stated several times that the "majority" of protestantism accepts this heresy, which is closely tied to Chilliasm. If I said "all" then I apologize as that is impossible for me to …
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First off Fr. Peter I would like to ask you if you read the source that I cited. It is from the WCC website and makes it very clear their goal. The idea is to unite all churches into one universal church, as stated on their website, without infringi…
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I am not sure if I understand you question clearly so forgive me please. I am not generalizing anyone, there are too many denominations in protestantism for me to name, therefore I use the word Protestant. I dont mean this in a deragatory way, its j…
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Its ok man. I dont have hardly any friends and it is my fault too, but I will take Christ over worldly friends any day.
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I dont even have cable. I only have TV so we can watch movies, mostly childrens movies for my son. But your right its disgusting. Everything reduces itself to its simplest form. You can see this everywhere, especially music for instance. It used to …
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[quote author=user00 link=topic=8794.msg110302#msg110302 date=1265770555] I agree with Ioannes-- I think excessive laughter does not fit well with the spirit of the Great Lent, which is a supposed to be a quiet time of contemplation and **repentance…
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That is a great point Fr. Peter. I definetly think we should ask ourselves, "Do I have faith?" I often wonder this about my own self. I agree with you that we must be vigilant and watch as to not be deceived, we are surrounded by enemies.
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Too much laughter removes the fear of God, I believe St. Pope Kyrillos said this. In any case it is correct. Laughter and joking are not bad in moderation. I have found myself watching comedies and stand-up comedy, and became completely defunct, spi…
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[quote author=peterfarrington link=topic=7520.msg110291#msg110291 date=1265754631] Ioannes, What is your opinion then of His Holiness and our bishops who do pray with those outside our Orthodox Church, including Protestants, Roman Catholics and Byz…
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Forgive me Fr. Peter for giving you the impression that I am accusing Pope Shenouda or any other Bishop of heresy. My concern is that by partaking in this we may be taking a big risk. We pray with them, this is against the apostolic canons. Now I do…
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[quote author=vassilios link=topic=7520.msg99017#msg99017 date=1231172340] Hi, A lot of evangelical fundamentalists believe in this idea called the "RAPTURE". What is it? What does it suggest? I think it has something to do about the end times, b…
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In a debate I had with a Scientific Atheist he said "Show me your God ends and I will show you where the universe began." I can remember thinking how dumb that statement is in theological terms, yet everyone else thought it was pretty slick. Knowing…
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Angels cannot be saved because they sin of their own accord. There is nothing tempting them to sin. So it is a conscience descision to go against God. Therefore God created Adam and Eve to redeem the position of the fallen angels.
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Wow, well said Mike. I read something about a controversy between him and Mt. Athos. Do you know anything about this?
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[quote author=minagir link=topic=8788.msg110193#msg110193 date=1265645526] [quote author=Ioannes link=topic=8788.msg110191#msg110191 date=1265644523] [quote author=ebnyasoo3 link=topic=8788.msg110190#msg110190 date=1265643395] I JUST WANT TO MENTION…