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Well said jydeacon, I guess you just missed out the abouna's talk, which because abouna's are in charge, they like shortening other hymns. I've been thinking about this from a psychiatric point of view, as I'm a strong believer that our church is th…
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So we skip hymns, and shorten the Liturgy to suit people's lives, circumstances, and YES preferences? What message are we giving out? Oh yes, my bad: the message is attending a church is secondary in your life. It shouldn't be primary, as long as yo…
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OK back to the basics... What is a liturgy? It's the WORK of the people... Ok, What are the characteristics of work? 1. DEDication, meaning to dedicate every thing, and give every thing up for the sake of the work, the job you're going to do... doe…
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I see your point very clearly now, and with regards to your last question I should: well, ideally, yes. What I should like, then yes again. What is absolutely necessary, then I don't think so. I'm only talking about myself here, attending tasbeha ev…
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DEar Unworthy1, The role of the deacon is to educate, and part of that is to explain to people why we do the things that we do and raise them to another level. I'm actually talking to myself here.... With regards the monks, those people have other d…
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Mina, I'm sorry, I guess you're missing the point. Unworthy1 is also missing it when he's comparing congregations to monasteries. The point being it's the deacon's job to educate and make people love Coptic hymns for reasons imikhail and Unworthy1 m…
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DEar Mina, I agree with unworthy1 in his argument. It is not only the availability of hymns in audio format that preserves them. It's an active process in each and every single church. If you have a problem with the nomination being "lost vs not los…
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OK got it now thanks... Oujai
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Imikhail, Would you please expand? Also doxology in verses of cymbals? Not sure I'm following Oujai
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Neither do I. I'm with you on this again. Oujai
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Jydeacon said it. We don't strictly follow timings in our church. We pray Baramoun liturgy in the morning, and some churches before midnight pray festive. We pray half annual half mournful and before midnight we pray festive. What's more is that acc…
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NOT a double line. just a single line underneath. Oujai
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My understanding is yes dzheremi, though I think they still communicate in Arabic with people outside their own families. oujai
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Dear FR. Peter, It is said that there are still some families in villages in upper Egypt speaking purely Sa'idic Coptic. Probably that's one of the reasons more studies have been conducted on such. By the way, I reject the notion that Coptic is a de…
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DEar jydeacon, I'm afraid your undertone in your recent posts shows you are on the edge. As I know you to some extent outside tasbeha.org then I can say I feel so. I hope everything is ok with you. If this discussion is futile to you, then you have …
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Well said FR. Peter. @ jydeacon, FR. Shenouda was asked why he tolerates people less knowledgeable than him bashing him and sometimes cursing him, and he replied: "i am Christian and Christianity taught me to preach what is true ONLY" Oujai
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WOrds in Cairene Arabic are not all pronounced the same, the word 3adeya can be pronounced also as 3adya. The word yehres can be pronounced as yeharress. The word masalan can be matalan. Oujai
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I commented on this many times before and hence will only add one thing to marenhos ebshois, FR. Peter, and billious: praying is a relationship with God, and when we pray we should address Him, or any other saint concerned. Doing this with books is …
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Very good point imikhail. Thanks Oujai
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Dear Godlovesme, I was talking about olden Greek. My understanding is that it is a combination of 'sch' in German "isch". Oujai
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I said above I wasn't sure which dialect has which pronunciation but unlike you I don't have any problems with two pronunciations in one dialect. Negotiate can be /negoseyate/ or /negosheyate/ even though it's not in the dictionary. Thanks Oujai
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Well you don't read my replies to your posts and it's very hard for me to use the mobile in editing long posts. First and foremost, awka could be Sa'idic and awsha Bohairic or vice versa, or belong to another dialect, or both used in the same dialec…
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Oh my God, Remenkimi man... oh, I'm speechless. I can now see the day I never imagined I would. I'm agreeing with you on three posts in a row... oh my God... hehe... no man, of course you know I'm joking, but I can't agree more with you, and I don't…
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Remenkimi, My point is that word can be pronounced either awka or awsha in Coptic. Please don't assume each word to have one and only pronunciation. Refer to CRum or Muawad Dawood. Thanks for the diphthong explanation but I never pointed out to the…
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I am with Remenkimi on this one. Adopting the rites from a sister church doesn't make it any less of a rite than other "more original" ones. Oujai
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And Remenkimi this is the whole idea why authentic Bohairic is authentic. The /sh/ sound probably goes back to olden Greek when their x letter was pronounced along the lines of isch in German, but as their language has evolved, the pronunciation cha…
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Ya Mina, those comments were intended for kmeka, not you... sorry I should have cut out the irrelevant bits. Oujai
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Dear kmeka001, It appears you have not been following the post titled "Great Lent by Ibrahim Ayad", otherwise you would have found answers to the questions you post. I encourage you to do that, and this is the link for the fifth page, most relevant …
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Dear jydeacon, In my paranoia, I think partly you refer to me. Ok thanks for pointing out your point of view. Let me just explain what I understand from these forums. They are constructive, meant to build each other up. That said, it is understandab…
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Dear anba Bola, I am on a computer now, so let me address some of your points. First of all, liturgy is the work of the people. Very true. How do you define people? How do you define the characteristics of people? If you reduce all the work of the p…