Ok dzheremi. A deeper discussion may ensue, but I won't begin now... I may wait until the afternoon here in the UK, so you will have woken up from sleep, sober enough to answer (hehe)... thanks for your reply anyway... have a good night, and please …
Yes geomike, but why should America stop the discrimination in Egypt? Seriously, is America on some loose ends, and finished dealing with their own problems? Or because they are the biggest secular state defending the minorities' rights all over the…
Dear dzheremi,
Very interesting and illuminating what you say, and I guess it makes my life so easy trying to explain how things work in the current environment.
First of all, there is no political vacuum as such. This political vacuum has been forg…
Guys, please keep the Egyptian revolution out of this. This is exactly what the corrupt regime that hasn't changed one iota is getting at.. to make the revolution out to have borne these fruits, and to apply the lame and ignorant policy that proves …
167 times that came to light without a single culprit prosecuted. Do you have any idea how many other incidents that weren't counted, or deliberately thrown away from public view?
OUJAI
Yes, like the latter two posts... Church is not a place of politics. There shouldn't be any interference of the church in the country's politics... that especially applies with VERY BOLD LETTERS to Egypt.
Oujai qen `P[C
DEar I believe,
Completely agree with Cephas... we have a duty towards our fellow brothers and sisters by helping them claim their own salvation...
DEAR Unworthy1,
TITL Is a lady and I was joking that my wife wasn't there otherwise she'd have got je…
Dear TITL,
Thanks very much for defending me... good thing my wife is not next to me... hehe...
Dear Mina,
I am sure you know how through Coptic heritage the faith was preserved down the generations => Orthodox faith => salvation.
Dear Unwort…
I think the Bible says that 72 came back to Jesus saying joyfully that evil spirits were cast out and obeyed them, and the Lord told them to rather be happy with their names written in the Book of Life... our hymnody says 72 as well...
Oujai
Dear TITL,
My point is not about Coptic heritage, it's about compromise in all aspects including Coptic heritage... I never alluded to salvation being a side issue at all..
Oujai
I am glad that you cleared that up imikhail. I used to ask myself the same question (and just out of observation got down to the bottom of it as you said)..
Oujai qen `P[C
Dear Mina,
I tend to agree more with imikhail's view on this. I am not sure if you remember if I said that before, but I am all for absolutism. Relativism has an ugly face, and I guess you may already see how it is showing itself... anyway it is you…
Hehe... thank God you don't think like me.
That is a very interesting point Mina, and I hope I make myself clear (although I really think I had done that a long time ago, and again I don't want this thread to be focussed on what I think)... in a nut…
I heard about one church (only one so far) in harret el room (named Al Amir Tadros) that they insist on singing the epistles in Coptic first and then translate into Arabic (90% sure though). I haven't been, and obviously the current practice is for …
My personal opinion imikhail is that people got bored... especially with the original rites of singing the scriptures... and add to that translating them from Coptic afterwards... whoa whoa come on... who is going to withstand all that?
Oujai qen `P…
DEar Remenkimi,
I'm awfully sorry you took my last post this way. I never meant to insult you in the slightest, and I was really astonished, that's why I made those comments... none of my words were intended as an insult at all, and I sincerely apol…
Dear TITL,
It may have only been a meditation, but I read that book, where I still stick to such a very comforting and lifting principle.
Dear imikhail,
I may have confused you, and I don't think you can see where exactly I'm coming from. I think a…
OK imikhail,
Very nice response. Let me be clearer than I was, and say that the commemoration in the Liturgy as I understand it (from Fr. Mattaos' book, if I remember rightly) is not about asking for forgiveness of sins through their prayers per se,…
Dear Remenkimi,
You said: "A similar, more pronounced example is found in the Gregorian Liturgy. We see a section start out, "O our master and our Savior, the life-giver of our souls". The subject of the verb is in the second person singular tense. …
DEar all,
No we aren't pleading with God to forgive us our sins THROUGH their prayers, it's what Remenkimi has refuted... we're actually praying for them. That's what I said in my last post... the Church doesn't consider them having any more honour …
Coptic says: participate in the remembrance (which may have a similar sense to English because) Arabic which is the literal Coptic translation says: participate in mentioning your saints...
Oujai
Guys the basic church teaching is that you can take out the name of any saint, apostle, etc and put ours instead for a variety of reasons, eg reproach oneself, encourage oneself, etc. When you're praying the ajbeya it's the same story, for you get c…