Ekhrestos anesty
@drewhalim,
That's interesting because I learnt that digaleleya is treated the same way like aradantondi during midnight chants as well as next to last parts of Thursday and Friday!
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty,
@RamezM,
I completely agree with you. And that's how the meaning of the rites are gradually lost and ignored and other inventions are built upon similar principles. Starting to make exceptions so for people who don't know they'll t…
Ekhrestos anesty
@lfahmy,
If I'm being a strict rites follower, I wouldn't sing it during midnight chants except in Kiahk and Lent. Pretty much the case with danan. It's not that it's nice so we can say it annually but I'm aware of the modern teachi…
Ekhrestos anesty
@drewhalim,
Thank you, I'll do that, but I have an inkling you may know me by face already. I used to live in London between 2006 and 7, and came to st. Mark a few times, at times messing up your hymns by my gruff untidy voice and t…
Ekhrestos anesty@drewhalim,That's exactly what I am totally against. There must be clear "official" teachings but unfortunately cantors sometimes use their position to volunteer opinions which they take as right, and then we come to have various tea…
Ekhrestos anesty,@drewhalim,Of course I can see your point, but to answer the first paragraph I would say who are we mere humans who disregard the commandment of the Lord? He said who honours them honours Me. So we have to celebrate saints' feasts d…
Ekhrestos anesty
Dear @drewhalim and @lfahmy,
Very interesting points you share here. However, I completely disagree with what Mr. Reda Barsoomaalludes to. How can one add verses to hymns when the readings don't refer to such an event. In regards to…
Ekhrestos anesty,
@lfahmy,
I don't think you need to mix anything. The rites of the holy fifties trump minor feasts and indeed any other occasions..
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@mabsoota,
Verb conjugation in Coptic has 23 tenses! It is made more difficult by the modifications through the ages and no one to tell us how or why in most instances..
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@remenkimi,
Very well said, although I still find it hard to swallow Indian English as a subdialect in its own right. I think some people do things at their whim and should educate themselves enough first and have a good point of vi…
Ekhrestos anesty
@mabsoota
You just called the original poster in a plural manner. It should be bamenrit for masculine singular or tamenrit for feminine singular..
Also oujai khan ebshows doesn't mean may you go with the Lord. Rather be well in the …
Ekhrestos anesty
@remenkimi,
I can see your point. I just don't agree with your position as you were the one who said in another thread that we're becoming politicians-like. I'm not saying there's no point in research, but there's enough evidence th…
Ekhrestos anesty
@tenacpi
I'm so glad you chose Muawad Dawood's dictionary, you prove to seriously care about the authenticity of the source. However, it seems you can read Arabic, but remember not many people too. I'm so sorry that I cannot promise…
Ekhrestos anesty,
Thanks @lfahmy, please don't get mad at me. I do sound quite aggressive on the internet while in reality.. oh no, this is a respectable forum.. hehe.. hope I haven't offended you or anybody else..
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@lfahmy and @coptic_deacon,
Are you supporting what @remenkimi is saying, or refuting it? Your tone says the latter, but your words say the former.
Anyway, last year I was in the process of translating Erian Guirguis Moftah's "Elade…
Ekhrestos anesty
@remenkimi,
I can never argue your knowledge and research loving personality, but if you'll devalue everything related to the era of pope Cyril IV, then there's no point of discussion to be had on this forum. What lfahmy said bears …
@minatasgeel,
I'm not arguing either what you're saying or what remenkimi is saying. I was correcting the Arabic mistakes remenkimi falls in without realising..
Ekhrestos anesty
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@remenkimi,
So we agree on the core issue. So this is an example of a haphazard inclusion. This shouldn't happen in the Orthodox church. That's my view..
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@remenkimi
You confuse me because your post is contradictory in itself. My only comment is if something is haphazard it's an invention. If something is studied and agreed, most probably recorded, it's a development..
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@remenkimi,
That's very helpful and enlightening. I guess in the olden days people didn't mind praying for long hours and singing for a lovely and usually once in a lifetime occasion, saying usually, to comply with such a manuscript…
Ekhrestos anesty
@drewhalim
Please don't be surprised, I always make wrong assumptions.. hehe.. I completely agree with you and don't really see it a gravely tedious task except when it comes to the different small exceptions as you rightly say..
Ou…
Ekhrestos anesty
@drewhalim
I'm not sure if I am right in saying this but I get the impression you haven't lived, or at least grown up in Egypt. You have no idea how the muslim governors through the ages blocked all attempts of Christians preserving…
Ekhrestos anesty
Just follow the arrangement of psalmody books. What changes with seasons will be mentioned, and by time and practice you'll know when to say what and when not..
Oujai
Ekhrestos anesty
@Stavro
I'm not the best one to answer those questions, with regards the history and practice development. All I can say some people including Ibrahim Ayad unfortunately like singing hymns over meaning of the rituals, so there's no …
Ekhrestos anesty
@Stavro
The content of the liturgy of the faithful doesn't change with any particular season at all with regards priestly ritual arrangement. As remenkimi pointed out what changes are the congregational hymns. Bebnewma isn't usually…