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@MrPete33, Indeed when the apostles preached the Gospel everywhere they took into account their cultural beliefs and practices. They spread the Gospel in the language of the people. This is the whole point of this thread, how much is the church a mi…
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@Zoxsasi, Arabic is not the official language of the church. It's called the Coptic church for a reason not the Arabic orthodox church. Indeed the songs you refer to are exactly why I have a problem. They are mere songs, I'm talking about Kol el sef…
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@qawe, Of course I Do partially agree with some comments but not wholly. My issue was not with the original post but the ramifications and deductions others took the discussion away to. @antonypaul, This is the second time father that you explain yo…
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@antonypaul, As a Coptic servant I expect myself to attract people to Coptic through both English and Arabic, however difficult that is. Otherwise let's do what's easy, and stop attaching ourselves to the Coptic church. At the end of the day what's …
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@meenaHanna, I think you're not correct in your interpretation of St. Paul. I believe in what my forefathers say, I'm proud of the faith of the saints of my church and those who my church acknowledges from any nationality. I will learn Coptic for th…
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@metouro, I hope you are not addressing me as I have or will never oppose abandonment of Arabic altogether not merely to lessen it.. Oujai
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@qawe, You hit the nail on the head. If any church should choose to abandon Coptic then she should cease to be Coptic and be called something else. There are British orthodox churches, French orthodox churches, and others under the auspices of the s…
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I think I have to admit that Coptic is not but a mere burden. It should Of course be abandoned by the Coptic church. Coptic is detrimental to the salvation of people's souls. Oujai
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I'm afraid I may not have explained myself better. We in the Coptic church use St. Basil, st. Gregory or St. Cyril and a unique prayer book and a unique psalmody and a unique kholagy, and they are already translated so why on earth is there a need t…
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@antonypaul, We are called the Coptic orthodox church for a reason. If the Coptic church translates everything to English, the Greek does, the Ukrainian does etc, so why aren't we all united? Why does it always have to be the Coptic church to be on …
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@Remenkimi,I was mistaken. The manuscripts listed as references in Fr. Shenouda Maher's research are from the 10th and 11th centuries AM, or 13th and 14th AD. I don't think I will hold my breath to read your study on Erian Moftah's technic. As a per…
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@tenacpiesnaonkh, Manuscripts from as old as the tenth and ninth centuries prove the authenticity of Bohairic and its relationship to the Demotic language. Not only that but it is structurally different yet linguistically similar to Sa'idic and Akhm…
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@qawe It spells with a daw but the pro gb boffins thought there must be something wrong and erased the first letter replacing it with a dalda in the newly printed psalmody books. I'll check the kholagies though.. Oujai
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@minasoliman, I agree with you on this even though the thread as a whole is way over my head. Oujai
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I will hopefully some day pursue another project to get another list from Crum and Georgy Sobhy.. pray for me please.. Oujai
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Please have a look onto sucha link (this is the best I could do for now):http://kame.danacbe.com/index.php/topic,532.msg4539.html#msg4539Oujai
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I'd like to ask how I could attach a file. I have finished the word document I was preparing about Coptic words used in Egyptian colloquial lingo. Please let me know...Oujai
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@imikhail,Very well said. ThanksOujai
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@minatasgeel,No problem.@Remenkimi,Please answer my questions above in order to prove to me how gb is any thing as you or @minatasgeel claim. By the way, I am arguing because as you rightly say I feel so passionately about this. You are probably ign…
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@Remenkimi For gb to equate to Klingon and Esperanto is to have another name than Coptic and to not depend on the text used by the church as originally a different language.. have you ever heard on wrong language teaching, or are they each called a …
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Ok @Remenkimi, evidence huh? Ok what more evidence Do you want than people pronouncing the letter waida one way and others another when they both live in the same country, have the same accent and speak the same dialect? What about the letter dalda?…
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@tenacpiesnaonkh, Demiana doesn't spell with a dalda. Secondly Egyptian or most Arabs more generally don't pronounce the TH as z but as s. They pronounce the DH as z. I hope that's clear. @qawe, it's irrelevant if the waida is followed by a vowel as…
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@minatasgeel, There is no need to apologise at all. Please let me know how I am not making any sense and I will answer asap. This thread is on my bookmarked list.. looking forward to your queries personally @minatasgeel.. Oujai
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@Remenkimi, First of all I hope you are not getting upset or fed up of having to defend your position in the face of strong evidence to the contrary. Your lack of Arabic fluency is certainly going to lock you up in such a position where I am more th…
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@Remenkimi, And how is gb comparable to old Bohairic in your example? I fail to see how you equal a fabricated dialect with a naturally developed one unless you can enlighten me with the similarities.. Oujai
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@Remenkimi First, dalda is never pronounced as a z In gb. Second I'm not aware of any example of dalda being pronounced as a t in authentic Bohairic. Thirdly Copts don't have difficulty in acknowledging a dynamic change in phonetics and phonetic inv…
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I hope the Coptic letters I wrote are clear to every body. If not please let me know...Oujai
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@qawe and @remenkimi,Of course I didn't want to reply because I hope every one already knows my position. There is no such a thing called GB. However, I must say out of all people I wouldn't have thought @remenkimi would make such false claims about…
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@qawe,I'm not sure about this. I always thought you could do a metaneya during Sunday liturgies too but I'll wait for other members to share their knowledge.. Oujai
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@qawe,The only liturgies you are not supposed to perform prostrations during are the ones held during the Holy Fifty Days. During all other liturgies, it is part of praying to do the prostrations. However, if you are not there, and at home you don't…